Me......I prefer them to the modern ones
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Mark Driscoll attempts to Crash Strange Fire
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Me......I prefer them to the modern ones
I dont know why you did that. Lets say for arguments sake that your wife had some notion to change something in your household that you really did not agree with & she was determined to move ahead with that decision. Would you move to divorce her? Would you move out of the house? You did make a prior commitment to both your wife & the church you've walked out on did you not?
preacher4truth
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Agreed.
Our family is CoC, RCC or say they're saved but show no works.
We all have opinions and yours isn't matching up to Scripture. We are to expose the works of darkness and contend for the faith. We are not to be passive about it. God does His work through people.
And that is exactly what they are doing in the conference. Once in awhile a shepherd needs to get out his staff and whack some goats and wolves. More power to 'em. :love2::thumbsup::applause:
Nope. He commanded us in Scripture to contend. No passivity or hyper teachings get a free ride, except for on this side of the Sun.
Yes. He's doing that through faithful men at this conference right now. No need to look to mystical planes when Scripture is clear and refutes your position. :thumbsup:
The average Christian seldom reads their Bible and knows little about what it teaches so to spend much time delivering messages about why other Christians are wrong is fruitless. All the people will know is what you think about another and not about scripture. Years ago my wife and I met with a couple and the wife told us she grew up in a KJVO church and knew what the pastor taught but did not know anything about scripture and was surprised to hear people talk about God personally. She had never heard that before.
When the NT was written there were many heresies in the world but I cannot think of any place where gnosticism, paganism, and mithraism is mentioned but their teaching is countered and addressed by what is correct.
I can tell if something is incorrect by knowing the standard. Those who are taught to recognize counterfeit money are taught what genuine bills look like.
When I was taught how to build I was told to make sure my work was plumb and level. It still work over 40 years later.
When the NT was written there were many heresies in the world but I cannot think of any place where gnosticism, paganism, and mithraism is mentioned but their teaching is countered and addressed by what is correct.
I can tell if something is incorrect by knowing the standard. Those who are taught to recognize counterfeit money are taught what genuine bills look like.
When I was taught how to build I was told to make sure my work was plumb and level. It still work over 40 years later.
preacher4truth
Active Member
Oh...we have Christian lite here. :laugh:
Actually the below average Christian seldom reads Scripture. There are not many who are average or above. You need to raise your standard.
Messages about other Christians? This is about apostate christianity, not other Christians. In other words we don't believe the false charismatic movement to be Christian. Thus, your assessment that this is showing other 'Christians' as wrong is baseless. The conference is claiming the strange fire group as not being orthodox.
Poor Paul Pete, Jude, Jesus. If they only knew that delivering messages exposing others as wrong were fruitless. Where have you been for 2000 plus years? :laugh:
No, that's untrue and ridiculous. So others only knew what Paul knew about others and not about Scripture when he exposed them? Jesus as well? They'll know what Scripture says about both. You would've pulled the same nonsense on Paul when he rebuked others by name.
So she said all this and said also she did not know anything about Scripture? That's a great story!!!!!!!!:tear: And there is more to it than what you'v e stated as well, i.e. 2 sides at the least!!! Context rules, and you give NONE.
LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!! How was their teaching countered if it was never addressed?
Their teachings were countered by what they taught wrongly as well. Then these teachings were corrected. Colossians, Galatians, 2 Peter, 1 and 2 John &c. So, yet again, you're incorrect. :thumbsup:
Sure. And you can know what is wrong by being shown why it is wrong, and you've been taught what is wrong so you'd know what is right.
An over used illustration, and a pretense claimed by many to attempt to appear as though they, by much experience, and only by this experience know what is right and wrong. It's nothing other than a prideful claim by the person stating it.
Those who recognize false doctrine can do so because they are taught what it (false doctrine) looks like.
Yes. Plumb and level have been around for way more than 40 years. Plumb and level have always been 'true'. These will work well into the future as well as from the beginning.
A level tells you when it is wrong and when it is right. So does Scripture.
quantumfaith
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GB,
I hope you are ok riding the bus to school, because you have one who finds it his mission to drive you to school. If you have any error (perceived by him) he will surely let you know how wrong you are. Good luck with the exchange.
I hope you are ok riding the bus to school, because you have one who finds it his mission to drive you to school. If you have any error (perceived by him) he will surely let you know how wrong you are. Good luck with the exchange.
You have to take people where they are and move them off that point. Ask yourself what percentage of leaders and Christians sitting in pews are actively making disciples now? Then ask where is the church in its obedience?
How did Jesus, Paul, and John expose those who practiced mithraism, gnosticism, stoicism, and paganism? Everyone of those are wrong.
You have a point but the only people I can think they exposed directly were those who caused trouble and division among them. There are ways of exposing false teachings by teaching truth and that is seldom done well. I have seen people shake and yell at me without using their name. Scripture exposed them. If one wanted to correct teaching about the charismatic movement that can be very easily done by teaching the historical context behind 1 Cor. One can easily teach what an oracle is and how it was done in Corinth and how and why Paul dealt with the issues of that in the church coming from their background.
I can spend my time teaching about current Mormonism which is always changing or I can teach about the trinity and a biblical view of who God is, who Jesus is, and who the Holy Spirit is. I can remember when Mormons would say they were not Christians but LDS. They will argue that point today. It is like trying to trap a slippery pig.
That is my point too. It is not my opinion versus another but what scripture teaches in light of its historical context. I know several who are graduates of MacArthur's school and not one who make an argument from the historical context. I first came up against that when a pastor friend of mine asked me how to deal with some points of view because he had never heard of them before. I told him to deal with it from the historical point of view. Teach them about the historical context of Corinth, what an oracle was and how it was obtained. Show the issues Paul had to deal with and how he did it. Paul dealt with something that was wrong and chaotic but never disrespected anyone in Corinth. He gave them reasons and left them to think about what he said. I am sure there were people taking sides and Paul dealt with that issue but saying "if one speaks in a tongue there must be an interpretation." No interpretation then do not speak. That is how he dealt with both sides and put a lid on the issue. It prevented people from "speaking in tongues" in such a way as one who would smoke pot and get a "word from God."
In my first pastorate John Hagee was only a short distance away and this issue was a problem. I did not tell anyone that speaking in tongues was wrong. What I did was to show what happened in Corinth. There were people on both sides of the fence and they were disagreeing openly. Some of it was between husbands and wives but ll of it was due to an ignorance of the historical context of 1 Cor. The debates were matters of opinion and not about indisputable evidence. when I have spoken with people and show them the evidence in terms of the historical context and explain what Paul was up against there is no dispute. It ends the discussion and puts people on the same page. All I have ever read about what MacArthur presents is how it causes division. That does nothing to give the historical background and teach people how to deal with the real issue. I could debate the idea that any abuse of a spiritual gift causes division. We see that all the time.
Maybe a good example might be to give an example of a real situation. A friend of mine was a missionary to the Middle East and made travels into Saudi Arabia and Egypt. In his ministry men came to know Christ who had several wives. He had to use wisdom in dealing with that particular situation. He told me how some missionaries dealt with that same situation before and caused trouble. A good understanding of God and scripture will settle that issue. For example my wife works in a hospital. Should she refuse to work at the hospital on Sunday when people are sick. I am sure you have heard preachers teach that nobody should work on Sunday. Is that really who God is?
It is easy to say what the Bible says in words but it does not always give a clear picture and leaves room for people to agree or disagree on the basis of their experience. I have read that MacArthur believes the charismatic movement always causes division. Really? So does everyone who abuses their gifts.
Yes false teachings were dealt with but where do those writers mention stoicism, mithraism, gnosticism, and paganism. Everyone of those and more are being practiced today in America. when did you hear or preach a sermon about the wrongs of mithraism? How about the wrongs of Mormonism. I can remember hearing years ago that they were not Christians. Now they will dispute that but they are taking a different, God, Jesus, and Holy Spirit.
A few years ago I dealt with a man who was teaching wiccan to some in the his yourth group when he was in high school and later became an atheist. I simply asked him why he was an atheist. Our dialog went from there. After a few meetings of answering his questions by teaching him the historical context of the issues he had he started following Jesus. I dealt with his questions from scripture not debate the wrongness of what he believed.
When people know the truth they will most likely recognize the error.
Um, it's because he's a narcissist, is verbally abusive from the pulpit, and is a proud, overt sexist...just like I said the first time.
where is he sexist though?
Probably because he doesn't see women as pastors as being biblical.
i fthat is the case, then he is just being biblical!
Listen to his sermons, read his books - there are too many examples to list here, it isn't just his objection to woman as pastors. There are lots of men and women who don't think woman should be pastors without lowering themselves to the macho, man makes all the decisions, woman have nothing to offer but a obedient sexual partner, caricature that Driscoll describes in his books and sermons.
So he wants to keep man as head of the home, but not the man as servant/under headship of Christ as to how to function as Head of the Home?
Yep - He's very sexist. He tells boys who shave to grow up, get a job, marry the woman rather than just sleeping with her, raise a family and do what's right. He tells women to be faithful. He tells married couples to have kids and raise them in the nurture and admonition of the Lord. He tells couples to enjoy their physical relationship.
Yep - so sexist.
Yep - so sexist.
I have never seen that in any of his writings anywhere. Could you post them please?
The men in America need quit letting women dictate what a man looks like. Just listen to the PC police and hear what they are saying. Just listen to politicians and hear what they say to their voters whom the majority are women and those on government assistance. When do they speak to men like a man?
Ann,please read the above.