Mark Driscoll on Nightline the other night

[TCGreek]

No, I was just offering it. As I said, I had already heard that criticism elsewhere, so MacArthur was not the only one.

However, Annsni said that Driscoll repented of using bad language, which is good.

However, on the video, I thought he was still getting awfully close to "unwholesome" speech.

We all got a few rough edges. Just different manifestations. :thumbsup:

 

[Marcia]

We all got a few rough edges. Just different manifestations. :thumbsup:

True, but he's a pastor. And I think he does it on purpose as part of his persona or the way to appeal to young people. That does not justify it imo.

I certainly would not want my pastor to speak like this. I am so glad my pastor speaks the truth but never uses unwholesome language.

 

[Deacon]

I heard Mark Driscol speak at a conference this past summer.
He's radical in a post-modern sort of way.

He spoke in the same conference with D.A. Carson.

If you're interested the conference was at Zenos Christian Fellowship, Columbus Ohio.

Xenos Summer Institute: True to the Word, True to Our Mission (2008) [LINK]
Driscol's two sessions are available for download:
How the Local Church can Reach Our Postmodern Culture (July 23, 2008)
and
A Pastoral Perspective on the Emergent Church (July 24, 2008)

I was impressed by his outwardly radical image and his expressedly obvious devotion to Christ.

Rob

 

[TCGreek]

True, but he's a pastor. And I think he does it on purpose as part of his persona or the way to appeal to young people. That does not justify it imo.

I certainly would not want my pastor to speak like this. I am so glad my pastor speaks the truth but never uses unwholesome language.

We all have different bents.

 

[Marcia]

We all have different bents.

Are you saying it's okay for a pastor to use unwholesome language, especially in preaching?

 

[Marcia]

I was impressed by his outwardly radical image and his expressedly obvious devotion to Christ.

Rob

Why did his "outwardly radical image" impress you??

 

[gb93433]

True, but he's a pastor. And I think he does it on purpose as part of his persona or the way to appeal to young people. That does not justify it imo.

I certainly would not want my pastor to speak like this. I am so glad my pastor speaks the truth but never uses unwholesome language.

You would probably not attend there. I grew up on a farm and what he said did not bother me. My family is quite direct without being vulgar. Obviously he is not a small town pastor with 40 people in church in a town of 400. I do not see people today as appreciating and using flowery speech as it once was this time in the last century. It is the idea of get to the point.

I think the critical key is communication. When I talk with older people or people my age I use language they appreciate but when I speak with or to students I use different language. Older people who have heard me speak to students appreciate my straight talk. Years ago a mother came up to me and thanked me for such straight talk in one of the sermons I gave. Her daughter had two friends who were having premarital sex with their boyfriends. Her friends were there that day. I looked at the young ladies and talked directly to them. I told them that if a young man wants to have premarital sex with you that he does not love you but he lusts after you. He does not want what is best for you but is only thinking about what he wants. I knew that impacted them. I purposely did that so they would not miss my point and advice to them.

I think we would find that Jesus always did what was appropriate. At times he changed his language too. White washed tombs.

 

[gb93433]

"Sole authority?" I really don't understand.

I had to laugh when I read this part. :laugh: "Sole authority" is using your shoe on the rear of the disobedient.

 

[TCGreek]

Are you saying it's okay for a pastor to use unwholesome language, especially in preaching?

Not at all!

So we finally agree. :smilewinkgrin:

 

[Aaron]

I would not conclude that Mark sees himself as getting direct revelation based on the statements posted here. When we all feel lead to do something we express that as having heard form God.

He was being literal. Here's a link to the discussion:

http://www.baptistboard.com/showthread.php?t=43674

 

[swaimj]

I do not think that Jesus was a rebel. Jesus was in complete submission to his Father. Jesus was "made under the law" and he was obedient to the law, never breaking it in any sense. Jesus' followers are instructed to obey governimg authorities; we are not to be rebels. I think using the term "rebel" to describe Jesus is misguided.

I think a term that is often used as a synonym for "rebel" is "counter-cultural". The terms can be synonomous, but are not necessarily synonomous. I think a person can be counter-cultural without being a rebel. I think that Jesus WAS counter-cultural and I think that those who are calling him a "rebel" should use the term counter-cultural instead. This is biblical because we ARE instructed not to "conform to the world".