Marks of the early church

[Yeshua1]

So let me get this straight, Jesus establishes a church with the apostles, and they have biblical teachings stating how to replace bishops.

But it never worked once, not even right after the apostles, The apostles themselves failed.

Cause the guys Adonia is quoting isn't some folks 1500 years later. He is quoting folks IN OFFICE while the APOSTLES are STILL ALIVE and talking to them.

And what do these BAD BISHOPS in contact with apostles do? GASP, they practice CATHOLICISM!



Ain't no altar call with crackers and koolaid.

Church of Rome did NOT start in early church age, was much later on.

 

[utilyan]

Church of Rome did NOT start in early church age, was much later on.

Ok sure thing, SO who are these Christians saying the wine and blood really is the body and blood of Jesus?

They are talking in ways NO BAPTIST would remotely sound like at all. What form of Christianity is this?

 

[Adonia]

The proper teachings are those in the Bible ALONE, as interpreted by the Holy Spirit, and not Rome!

So what were the teachings BEFORE THE BIBLE? Let's see, there was the Church which Jesus gave authority to. There was Jesus who told His followers to go out into the world and PREACH the gospel - and He didn't just write a book and just say: "Here you go, just read this and you are good to go. No instruction needed". No, He did not say that!

Jesus formed a church where the teaching of future generations would come from. The written word was an afterthought, and even when it came about it shows us that there was a central teaching authority which had the correct teaching, not a world where everyone could come up with whatever they wanted - and that is your fatal mistake.

The Holy Spirit guides the Church in what it teaches. Passed down from generation to generation and accepted by all, until of course when one man rose up and said HE had the truth - and it was all downhill from there.

 

[Yeshua1]

Ok sure thing, SO who are these Christians saying the wine and blood really is the body and blood of Jesus?

They are talking in ways NO BAPTIST would remotely sound like at all. What form of Christianity is this?

Non scriptural one?

 

[Yeshua1]

So what were the teachings BEFORE THE BIBLE? Let's see, there was the Church which Jesus gave authority to. There was Jesus who told His followers to go out into the world and PREACH the gospel - and He didn't just write a book and just say: "Here you go, just read this and you are good to go. No instruction needed". No, He did not say that!

Jesus formed a church where the teaching of future generations would come from. The written word was an afterthought, and even when it came about it shows us that there was a central teaching authority which had the correct teaching, not a world where everyone could come up with whatever they wanted - and that is your fatal mistake.

The Holy Spirit guides the Church in what it teaches. Passed down from generation to generation and accepted by all, until of course when one man rose up and said HE had the truth - and it was all downhill from there.

Bible of the OT was canon form by time of Christ, and the entire NT was being used and passed away by death of John Himself, so the Lord had His written word already getting around way before Church of Rome! The Council just testified and agree that those already accepted as inspired scriptures were the canon, they did not make/create the canon!

 

[Adonia]

Bible of the OT was canon form by time of Christ, and the entire NT was being used and passed away by death of John Himself, so the Lord had His written word already getting around way before Church of Rome! The Council just testified and agree that those already accepted as inspired scriptures were the canon, they did not make/create the canon!

A piece here and a piece there. There was no compiled NT Canon by the time John passed on. By the time the canon was compiled some 300 years later there were many different manuscripts around and many were weeded out by the Universal Church leaders, specifically the Bishops who were in authority. So you can thank the Holy Catholic (Universal) Christian Church for the Scriptures you now hold in your hands. (Minus of course the books that were removed by the heretics some 1500 years later).

 

[Yeshua1]

A piece here and a piece there. There was no compiled NT Canon by the time John passed on. By the time the canon was compiled some 300 years later there were many different manuscripts around and many were weeded out by the Universal Church leaders, specifically the Bishops who were in authority. So you can thank the Holy Catholic (Universal) Christian Church for the Scriptures you now hold in your hands. (Minus of course the books that were removed by the heretics some 1500 years later).

The church had pretty much settles already on what was to be used as the sacred scriptures, as the canon, but early to mid second century had already decided on what was legi!

 

[agedman]

Because there was no papist system for two hundred years, the authority of Rome is a lie.


Ephesus, the ministry center of the last apostle, served as a focal point that set a standard of both worship and character. Not Rome.

Rome was exalted when political favor was extended and it quickly fell into the control of the father of all lies.

The reformers didn't completely remove from the papists, but wanted to modify the papists to conform it to the Scriptures.

The Separatists are the real heroes, for they saw that papist scheme as having no good and Godly work, and removed themselves from it.

Baptists were never part of the papists, and were never part of the reformed protestors.
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