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Marriage and family
- Thread starter Aaron
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Would I have been less confusing to you had I said, "Agreed. Procreation is not the primary purpose of marriage, but it is the primary purpose of sex,"?
That's all I needed to come up with. The point is proven. God gave it the name that pleased Him, and our thoughts concerning a thing should be guided by His thoughts concerning it. If He thinks of it as seed, that settles the argument. You are no longer arguing with Aaron. You're arguing with God.
What is your strongest evidence for the proper mode of baptism? Isn't the name that God gave it? He called it immersion. Doesn't that pretty much settle the issue?
4His_glory
New Member
Aaron,
Yes God called what comes from the man seed, but He does not call the act of marraige seed, so if you are claiming that the man giving his seed to the woman is what the act of marriage is all about, then you are implying somthing that is not there.
Yes God called what comes from the man seed, but He does not call the act of marraige seed, so if you are claiming that the man giving his seed to the woman is what the act of marriage is all about, then you are implying somthing that is not there.
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dianetavegia
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Scripture says a man is to leave his parents cleave ONLY unto her (his wife). I am not a scholar but did look up the English definition of cleave. It struck me as odd.
To split with or as if with a sharp instrument. See synonyms at tear.
To make or accomplish by or as if by cutting: cleave a path through the ice.
To pierce or penetrate: The wings cleaved the foggy air.
Chemistry. To split (a complex molecule) into simpler molecules.
To adhere, cling, or stick fast.
To be faithful: cleave to one's principles.
To hold fast: adhere, bond, cling, cohere, stick. See connect.
To split with or as if with a sharp instrument. See synonyms at tear.
To make or accomplish by or as if by cutting: cleave a path through the ice.
To pierce or penetrate: The wings cleaved the foggy air.
Chemistry. To split (a complex molecule) into simpler molecules.
To adhere, cling, or stick fast.
To be faithful: cleave to one's principles.
To hold fast: adhere, bond, cling, cohere, stick. See connect.
On what basis do you claim that the primary purpose of sex is procreation?
Magnetic Poles
New Member
If sex was merely for procreation, why the emotional bond that it helps form? Why do people kiss. If procreation is all there is, why not be like lower animals who just get straight down to business and "git 'er done"?
I think viewing sex as a mere biological imperative lessens the entirety of the experience. It is an important emotional, physical and spiritual bonding between the wife and husband; part of a complete marriage.
I think viewing sex as a mere biological imperative lessens the entirety of the experience. It is an important emotional, physical and spiritual bonding between the wife and husband; part of a complete marriage.
PastorSBC1303
Active Member
I agree completely
This actually is my point. In the 20th Century, its a totally different matter from Abraham's time, I would argue it has been different since about the 1st Century.
In the OT economy, the blessings were also tied to the land, yet we don't view the spiritual blessings of God as a literal promised land for the Church? There are many things listed as blessings to the OT saints, and as promises that were specifically given to those who were promised.
The Bible does have literal historical context that you have to embrace to determine the principle taught in a passage, and most narratives are just that, narrative, a description of what happened.
I do agree that Children are a blessing from God, I would also say that my two children make me as blessed by God as a person who has eight (some would say more so
) The Words of scripture do not quantify the blessing, nor the size of a full quiver (the only verse that comes close to quantifying it) and I can fully agree that children are a heritage from God, but none of the scriptures used in this thread have anything whatsoever to do with Birth Control of any kind. BTW, no one ever answered my question from the first thread. Those who claim chemical or mechanical means of birth control is unbiblical within the context of marriage, do you also believe that it is unbiblical to follow the so-called "rythym method" (aka "Pregnant") Be careful with your answers, and you might want to consult the scriptures first.
If sex were PRIMARILY for additions to the people pool, satan would not have the where-with to make it (sex) such a pitfall for mankind.
And, like someone has already mentioned, if babies were the MAIN goal, why not have periods of genetic celebicy followed by periods of mad passion? That would certainly be more effective in the conception rate than the system in use now.
Nope, I believe God planned this aspect of humanity to fulfill two main goals;
1) Reproduction, but equally important, and maybe more so after the world was "populated",
2) PURE PLEASURE, and the bonding of two souls spiritually!!!!
I feel this last point is why satan is so successful in ruining so many lives with sex. If there were no "bonding", why do so many feel guilty and betrayed when "it's over", after an illicit relationship?
And, like someone has already mentioned, if babies were the MAIN goal, why not have periods of genetic celebicy followed by periods of mad passion? That would certainly be more effective in the conception rate than the system in use now.
Nope, I believe God planned this aspect of humanity to fulfill two main goals;
1) Reproduction, but equally important, and maybe more so after the world was "populated",
2) PURE PLEASURE, and the bonding of two souls spiritually!!!!
I feel this last point is why satan is so successful in ruining so many lives with sex. If there were no "bonding", why do so many feel guilty and betrayed when "it's over", after an illicit relationship?
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dianetavegia
Guest
Genesis 3:16 To the woman He said: "I will greatly multiply your sorrow and your conception; In pain you shall bring forth children; Your desire shall be for your husband, And he shall rule over you."
How does that follow? Would you say food and wine are primarily for pleasure too, since many find them just as addictive?
And, like someone has already mentioned, if babies were the MAIN goal, why not have periods of genetic celebicy followed by periods of mad passion? That would certainly be more effective in the conception rate than the system in use now.
Maybe it hasn't occurred to you that men are not animals. Whatever we do we're to do for the increase of God's kingdom. A brute beast only does what it feels like doing. Men are to do things because they're the right thing to do, not because they feel like it.
Nope, I believe God planned this aspect of humanity to fulfill two main goals;
1) Reproduction, but equally important, and maybe more so after the world was "populated",
2) PURE PLEASURE, and the bonding of two souls spiritually!!!!
Sex doesn't create true and spiritual intimacy. Consider David and Jonathan:
1 Samuel 18:1 And it came to pass, when he had made an end of speaking unto Saul, that the soul of Jonathan was knit with the soul of David, and Jonathan loved him as his own soul.
1 Samuel 18:3 Then Jonathan and David made a covenant, because he loved him as his own soul.
2 Samuel 1:26 I am distressed for thee, my brother Jonathan: very pleasant hast thou been unto me: thy love to me was wonderful, passing the love of women.
Besides, what happens when one gets too sick, too old or is injured and cannot perform?
I feel this last point is why satan is so successful in ruining so many lives with sex. If there were no "bonding", why do so many feel guilty and betrayed when "it's over", after an illicit relationship?
How could any man or woman feel more betrayed than Christ felt after the betrayal of Judas? Could anyone feel more guilty or despair of hope any more than Judas did?
It isn't the sex that makes one feel guilty or betrayed, it's the disloyalty.
There is only one need you've listed for sex that cannot be supplied by another means, and that is procreation. In fact, so imminent is the conception of a life, that one must go through great pains to prevent it. It's primary purpose is procreation.
[ August 01, 2005, 05:44 AM: Message edited by: Aaron ]
Ok, let's see. You say that sex is a chore we do because we know it's the right thing to do, not because we want to. You say it's essentially over once the man ejaculates. And you say that sex is an inferior method to platonic methods for bonding with one's spouse.
I rather think we're talking about different things!
I rather think we're talking about different things!
A chore? Do you not delight to do God's will? Psalm 40:8. Besides, you know very well that's not what I said. Animals are slaves to their apetites. So are unspiritual men. Trying to determine God's will for sex between men and women by comparing them to animals betrays a sensual focus.
You say it's essentially over once the man ejaculates.
Well maybe not for you, you machine you!
At the very least you're on the downhill side, and the ride is a lot shorter than it was on the way up. You can't deny it. It's not called the climax for nothing.And you say that sex is an inferior method to platonic methods for bonding with one's spouse.
Absolutely, and anyone who is truly one with his spouse will affirm this. They did not become true friends by having sex.
I rather think we're talking about different things!
Yes, we are. I'm talking about people, you're talking about animals.
Not at all, the comparison to animals was to show that we are different from them (with the exception of bonobos). Most primates have an estrus cycle, and the female is only receptive when she is ovulating, and this is the only time that the male will show interest in her. The fact that humans are sexually receptive throughout the cycle indicates that sex is not intended merely for reproduction, since most of the time conception is impossible.
This was to point out that if sex is just about procreation, there is no need for the woman to orgasm at all. So, yeah, if that's what it's about, then it's over then. Often, though, women take more time than men, so it's not over if that's not what it's all about!
Sexual relations provide an entirely different dimension to the relationship that is not there in a platonic relationship. Eliminating or disrupting it will definitely affect the relationship. It's not called "making love" for no reason.
To me it seems that I'm talking about love and you're talking about work!