Marriage bed undefiled?

I have to agree with Scarlett. Our children know far more than we adults ever thought about sex. We must begin talking openly about this topic if we are to teach our children that God's way is better than the world. Hiding out behind the excuse that sex is private simply can't continue if we want our children to respect that have the knowledge to back up our opinions. Otherwise they'll simply brush us aside as old fogeys that have never experienced pleasure.

This discussion has been quite respectful, so far, I see no reason why it shouldn't continue where it is.

My opinion on the OP, what I do with my husband is between he, me and God. So long as we three agree there is nothing further to be said.

 

They must learn the truth somehow? The devil sure keeps his lie's before them.

 

No, that's not the case. Those who object to your understanding of the verse object on the basis of Paul's definition of natural. Paul is not speaking in terms of reproduction. Paul is speaking to one issue--heterosexuality vs. homosexuality. The former is natural; the latter is unnatural. Paul is not speaking to any other matter. Paul does not present a reproductive litmus test for sexual activity within a marriage.

I would also object to the assumption that sexual activity is designed exclusively for procreation. I think even a cursory reading of Song of Solomon denies that concept.

 

Exactly right and needs to be heard again as some do not seem to understand this point.

 

This is the exact attitude that messes up so many of our children on this issue. We are so afraid of addressing it with our children and young people. I had parents that I loved dearly but would not talk to me about this stuff at all and sadly I learned way more from a sports locker room than I did my own parents.

This issue vitally NEEDS to be addressed. This thread has not been disrespectful, but rather has been an honest attempt to deal with important issues.

If this thread is moved to a private area it will be part of the problem instead of part of the solution.

 

I support Blessed's view.

There is a time and place for all things. This subject matter amongst a mixed gender audience, with children present, is not the place. Parents speak with your children, children talk to your parents. Husbands speak with your wives, wives speak with your husbands. If you have questions not answered in scripture (I believe the answer to this question is found in the Song of Solomon) then seek spiritual magistrates in private and even this can have pitfalls if not managed with care and Christ centeredness.

Just because the world, and a certain president, have brought indiscretionary activities into the forefront of children's thoughts does not mean we should contribute to this heinousness. The details of what is or is not proper in the marriage bed is something children need not be concerned of until they are mature and close to marriage.

You pastors, is this a message you would feel comfortable bringing a Sunday sermon on? I pray your answer is no and if it is no, then you should feel uncomfortable talking about it here.

Just my $.02

 

Is Song of Solomon Scripture? Then it is there for a reason. My husband has preached from the book, of course not to children. Why hide from the issue instead of teaching folks from a Godly scriptural viewpoint?

I wanted someone to talk to me about these things as a young adult, and it has taken me years to overcome some of the erroneous things I picked up in my own ignorance. I finally found a couple books that addressed things for me from a solid biblical perspective and I dont want my kids and others that I love to struggle like I did. Thats why I am willing to discuss it.

 

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My answer is like Dr. Bob's, Yes, if it's in the book I preach it. Lightly and tactfully from the pulpit but I am willing to answer any appropriate question or discuss any appropriate topic in our young adult class. I'd hate to be part of a Church so Holy parts of the Bible can't be discussed.

That was good reading last night Tater, thanks!

 

A+...............

 

I appreciate your advise and was hoping that this thread was going to drift off. However, it's still going so...

Are you suggesting that Romans 1 has something to do with heterosexual fellatio and if so, in what verse in Romans 1 would you believe this to be so?

 

I have no problem talking about this topic...with my wife. However, talking about it with women I am not married to or with children around that are not my children, in a public forum...to me seems like bad taste. Further, a pastor who comes before a congregation and preaches on which positions are best and what is alright in a marriage bed is perhaps, the one that needs to be examined.

 

Song of Solomon is scripture and if he's not preached it before children then why would you believe it to be alright to preach it now before an unknown audience of unknown ages? Should we not exhibit a bit of discretion?

 

You know, I don't think anyone here has advocated teaching/preaching on which positions are best from the pulpit or even discussing such a thing here. That is not the point of this discussion and that is a conversation best left for man and wife.

The point here is that man and wife are free to choose whatever position that pleases them best without worry that they are sinning. That my friend is God's best reward for marriage.

For far too long has the church/religious community shunned something God created with our specific pleasure in mind, as something dirty and sinful. That is the point of the marriage bed bieng undefiled. How dare we take something God created as a reward and make it into something that we can't even discuss with our children? The world is certainly discussing it and certainly urging our children to do more than experiment with different positions! How can we fight those influences if we can't bring ourselves to discuss them?

Btw, the best time to teach children about sexual purity is before they need to know. Otherwise, they have no defenses when temptation comes around, in about the 5th grade.

 

Some of the attitudes seem like the old line, "Sex is dirty. Save it for someone you love."

However, it is part of a healthy marriage and a healthy life. This is not a subject that is shameful and to be swept under a rug or hidden away. Public, respectful discussion is a good thing. What if student-doctors learning about reproduction couldn't talk about it in gender-mixed classes? God addresses it in the Bible. Shouldn't it be open to dialogue for the edification of all?

 

Excellent post, I agree completely!

 

When i was a youth pastor our church gave out the booklet, "101 things God says about sex" to every child entering Middle School.

We are losing a generation of children because Christians would rather stick their head in the sand. This is exactly what teens need to deal with.

 

I tried not to get graphic until I saw this.

The MOUTH was not made FOR GENITALS!!!

Of course good ol Dr B. didn't accurately reference my statement ( as per his usual bent). Hence it is he who is the ignorant one.
And it is HE who is the liar since he did not provied the ENTIRE sentence from whence he took the quote.