Al Gore invented the internet. Those were probably internet fees he rightly earned from Russia......just sayin.
As a Hoosier, I can emphatically state that Gore Jr. invented hay wire.
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Martin Luther King Jr. and influences on Black churches
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As a Hoosier, I can emphatically state that Gore Jr. invented hay wire.
I guess @robustheologian has, in a roundabout way, answered the question of the OP. There is at least some population that has replaced the gospel of Jesus Christ with a social gospel to the extent it can no longer be called Christian.
I do not know that this is a result of MLK as MLK could be the victim himself of such heresies. In one way we could blame the Jim Crow era of racism for creating the need, but in another we have to realize that Jesus explained this would occur with some - the cares of the world would be the cause for them to abandon the Kingdom of God. It was the same with the first century Jews who could not understand the Kingdom of God and longed for an earthly kingdom where the wrongs of the majority would be addressed and Israel would once again be established as God's people.
I do not know that this is a result of MLK as MLK could be the victim himself of such heresies. In one way we could blame the Jim Crow era of racism for creating the need, but in another we have to realize that Jesus explained this would occur with some - the cares of the world would be the cause for them to abandon the Kingdom of God. It was the same with the first century Jews who could not understand the Kingdom of God and longed for an earthly kingdom where the wrongs of the majority would be addressed and Israel would once again be established as God's people.
All this easy to attack but I won't address the obvious impending circular argument.
No, they just rejected that non-Christ-like, Americanized, evangelical "gospel".
You mean the Gospel that preaches lost sinners are going to Hell without Jesus, and that all of us as in slavery to sin, not to BLM cause?No, they just rejected that non-Christ-like, Americanized, evangelical "gospel".
Do you support racist rev Wright then also?
No. Those things MLK rejected pre-date America. They are common to Christians.No, they just rejected that non-Christ-like, Americanized, evangelical "gospel".
How can you justify a Christian denying the bodily resurrection? How can you justify a Christian denying that Jesus is God?
Do you share MLK's "christianity"?
It is not a "circular argument". It is an issue of authority and why Christians believe what Christians believe. I believe Jesus is God, died and rose on the third day, and will cone back because this is what the Bible states.All this easy to attack but I won't address the obvious impending circular argument.
MLK believed Scripture a mythological expression of first century experiences and now science has disproven the myth leaving us with the "truth". Jesus was not God, did not rise from the dead, and is not coming back to this world. But that "truth" he opened up to is the Resurrection and, once accepted, the second coming.
His authority was his own reasoning. He was not a Christian.
A rose by any other name would smell as sweet...
I read the transcript of MLK's famous "dream" speech today. The speech is loaded with colorful rhetoric. It has just a tad of scripture. The emotion and demeanor of the speech is all over the place. You have: threatening, intimidation, warning, condemning, encouraging, envy, jealousy, compassion, pride, entitlement, determination, prophecy, hope, interreligiousity, ect......
Of particular note:
Firm condemnation of his perception of Police Brutality
Extra Firm condemnation of the Southern States
Relatively Mild condemnation of the Northern States
Not even a hint of Forgiveness
Not even a hint of criticism of his own people
This man's speech was not Christ like in the least.
Of particular note:
Firm condemnation of his perception of Police Brutality
Extra Firm condemnation of the Southern States
Relatively Mild condemnation of the Northern States
Not even a hint of Forgiveness
Not even a hint of criticism of his own people
This man's speech was not Christ like in the least.
No, the "gospel" that says racism, police brutality, systemic racism, xenophobia, and bigotry are okay.
As much as you support racist Donald Trump.
This doesn't apply since he didn't.
Meaning do I spread it? The Christianity that rejects racism, police brutality, bigotry, and xenophobia?? Yes, I do.
And herein lies the circular reasoning.
So condemnation of police brutality and the Jim Crow South isn't Christ-like? And herein lies the problem with American evangelicalism. SMH
No, the "gospel" that says racism, police brutality, systemic racism, xenophobia, and bigotry are okay.
As much as you support racist Donald Trump.
This doesn't apply since he didn't.
Meaning do I spread it? The Christianity that rejects racism, police brutality, bigotry, and xenophobia?? Yes, I do.
And herein lies the circular reasoning.
So condemnation of police brutality and the Jim Crow South isn't Christ-like? And herein lies the problem with American evangelicalism. SMH
I sure wouldn’t want to die for the lie that you preach and I wouldn’t advise you to die for what you preach either. When the Jihadis ask if you want to be crucified for your beliefs, just tell them it’s not worth it.
And I wouldn't want to die for that Americanized farce of a "gospel" that you worship.
I believe that The Holy Bible is perfect.
I don’t care if you want to be crucified for what you believe if you want to die for a lie but I would tell you just say that you don’t want to die for a lie.
I agree with your condemnation of racism. This was, and is, an evil that the Church has often not only ignored but allowed to exist within her walls. The American Church, for a long time, not only did nothing about racism in it's own surroundings but aided racism to exist.
The fact, however, is that MLK is not the fictional account that you would reduce him to be. The fact is that he was not a Christian by his own writings. You and I both wish that this was not true. But we do not have the right to ignore MLK. The man was more than just civil right's issues. He was a human being.
And until you can realize this you cannot appreciate MLK and his accomplishments. Men have a value as men - not according to how you would categorize them. MLK addressed this in society (not in religion).
If I could somehow change history so that MLK would have accepted Christ, would have been a Christian leader and a leader in the Church then I would. I hate to know that he was not a brother in Christ but the more I read his writings the more this is obvious. People have focused so long on his accomplishments in the area of social justice that they have not considered his faith.
And MLK was a man of faith. His faith was just misplaced. I am not sure that he would have been the leader he was if he were Christian (the idea of Christ being divine by opening up to God's truth and being obedient not knowing the outcome of this obedience seems to be a driving factor in MLK's writings).
The fact that MLK was not a Christian in no way diminishes his accomplishments as a Civil Right's leader in combating the evil of systemic racism in our nation.
But making MLK a fictional person (a "rebel flag") and romanticizing the Civil Right's movement (creating a "Dixieland") is to discredit MLK as a human being. It is not only wrong historically, but it is immoral. We have his writings on civil rights issues. We have his writings on Christianity. We know where he stood. We do not need to create lies to make the man a "god".
What do you believe is the real gospel of Jesus Christ?
What do you believe is the "Americanized" gospel?
Because of the pride of evil men.
In pride the wicked hotly pursue the afflicted;
Do not speak with insolent pride.
When pride comes, then comes dishonor,
Pride goes before destruction,
And a haughty spirit before stumbling.
“For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed the evil thoughts,]fornications, thefts, murders, adulteries,
deeds of coveting and wickedness, as well as deceit, sensuality, envy, slander, pride and foolishness.
Yes, we should bash MLK, and all blacks. They were and they are the problem. Pride goes before destruction...
Forget the dream, forget the spirit of unity in Christ, engage in slander.
In pride the wicked hotly pursue the afflicted;
Do not speak with insolent pride.
When pride comes, then comes dishonor,
Pride goes before destruction,
And a haughty spirit before stumbling.
“For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed the evil thoughts,]fornications, thefts, murders, adulteries,
deeds of coveting and wickedness, as well as deceit, sensuality, envy, slander, pride and foolishness.
Yes, we should bash MLK, and all blacks. They were and they are the problem. Pride goes before destruction...
Forget the dream, forget the spirit of unity in Christ, engage in slander.
No one is bashing Abernathy—he was likable—and he and others told the truth about MLK Jr. decades ago. BLM is the new thinking now; MLK Jr. lost out. No one likes that but the Democrats themselves have moved on, as they say. The thing now is ID politics, as you know. It’s all about the pigmentation. Biden said that you weren’t black unless you voted for him. That’s racial politics. Many blacks had federal jobs until Woodrow Wilson became president and he fired them all.
I never liked Mr. Abernathy, in my opinion, he did not stand for truth.
All that other stuff does not have anything to do with Mr. King.
I am just so tired of the Communists getting away with disparaging our American icons. Remember when they used a high school yearbook against a man in his fifties, and they consider using college exam papers written to please professors, against King. It is hogwash. Was Mr. King a sinner? Yes, but that does not mean he did not love Jesus, or was not His flawed servant.
So you do condemn the Dem party. as they were the main ones supporting all of that!No, the "gospel" that says racism, police brutality, systemic racism, xenophobia, and bigotry are okay.
As much as you support racist Donald Trump.
This doesn't apply since he didn't.
Meaning do I spread it? The Christianity that rejects racism, police brutality, bigotry, and xenophobia?? Yes, I do.
And herein lies the circular reasoning.
So condemnation of police brutality and the Jim Crow South isn't Christ-like? And herein lies the problem with American evangelicalism. SMH
I am missing your point. The Democrats won the black vote by about 80 percent to 20 percent. Black people now support BLM. MLK was a nominal Republican and the civil rights act of 1964 was passed with mostly Republican votes as the old Dixiecrats voted against it. Blacks have rejected both MLK and the GOP in favor of BLM and the Dems.
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