Mary Jo Kopechne Can Finally Rest in Peace!!!

[Jim1999]

Does anyone know his mental state at the time the vehicle went off the road and into the water? I doubt it. Neither do I, so I will reserve judgement on how he behaved. I am not sure how I would respond or what mental state I would be in if someone drowned in my vehicle and I was drunk at the time.

On when the soul begins, we donot all hold the same view as do many fundamentalists..We theologically believe that the soul begins, or the life in the womb, is a person somewhere between conception and actual birth. It becomes a person when it can actually think for itself. Not talking about knowledge, which comes with time, but with the ability to breathe on its own, rationally. Notice I did say theologically; that means biblical too!

Cheers,

Jim

 

[Revmitchell]

Don't you know everything in the world revolves around abortion?

Like I heard it said, "Republicans believe life begins at conception and ends at birth!"

This is clearly fallacy considering the fact that conservatives give 30% more, out of their personal income than do liberals on average.

 

[Robert Snow]

This is clearly fallacy considering the fact that conservatives give 30% more, out of their personal income than do liberals on average.

If you believe those statistics, I don't.

 

[Revmitchell]

If you believe those statistics, I don't.

How convenient.

 

[Magnetic Poles]

If you believe those statistics, I don't.

27.6% of statistics are made up on the spot. :tongue3:

 

[Johnv]

conservatives give 30% more, out of their personal income than do liberals on average.

My spidey sense tells me there is probably some truth to that statement, but, being a person who likes objective facts, I looked it up myself.

It turns out that Arthur Brooks, professor at Syracuse University, published a book titled, "Who Really Cares: The Surprising Truth About Compassionate Conservatism." Conservative-headed households give, on average, 30 percent more to charity than the average liberal-headed household ($1,600 per year vs. $1,227). Brooks, btw, is a registered independent.

The statistic looks to be correct. Of note, though, is that those who consider themselves conservative according to the book would be viewed as liberals here on this board. That doesn't make the book's findings inaccurate, but it does make the opinions of some here in regards to what qualifies as conservative as inaccurate.

 

[Salty]

It turns out that Arthur Brooks, professor at Syracuse University, published a book titled, "Who Really Cares: The Surprising Truth About Compassionate Conservatism." .

And for the record, SU is a very, very liberal school. You also mentioned Brooks is a registered independent. In New York State - NOT SO- There is one of two possibilities - if he is not registered with a State "recognized" party he would be considered "Non-enrolled". One of the "recognized parties in NY is the INDEPENDENCE PARTY - I believe it was an outgrowth of Perot's Reformed Party. Many of the SU freshman students check the Independence party box, thinking they are registering as an "Independent". As a driving instructor, I had many SU students and we would often talk politics. What a revelation it was when they found out they are not "Independent".
I may stop by the BOE and see what I can confirm my theory - but don't hold me to it - in case I decide to run for POTUS :smilewinkgrin:


There appears to be factions of the IP - here is a link for another web site

http://baptistboard.com/newthread.php?do=postthread&f=23

 

[Palatka51]

That Just Boils My Blood

Does anyone know his mental state at the time the vehicle went off the road and into the water? I doubt it. Neither do I, so I will reserve judgement on how he behaved. I am not sure how I would respond or what mental state I would be in if someone drowned in my vehicle and I was drunk at the time.

On when the soul begins, we donot all hold the same view as do many fundamentalists..We theologically believe that the soul begins, or the life in the womb, is a person somewhere between conception and actual birth. It becomes a person when it can actually think for itself. Not talking about knowledge, which comes with time, but with the ability to breathe on its own, rationally. Notice I did say theologically; that means biblical too!

Cheers,

Jim

So when the Alzheimer's victim ceases to "think for "itself" we would be prudent then to destroy "IT"??!!!!

You say your view is "Biblical" yet you show no verse to back it up.

 

[steaver]

On when the soul begins, we do not all hold the same view as do many fundamentalists..We theologically believe that the soul begins, or the life in the womb, is a person somewhere between conception and actual birth. It becomes a person when it can actually think for itself. Not talking about knowledge, which comes with time, but with the ability to breathe on its own, rationally. Notice I did say theologically; that means biblical too!

Cheers,

Jim

With all due respect Jim, this is total fantasy theology. There is nothing in the scriptures that would remotely suggest anything you wrote here. There is only one theological biblical view and that is a person is created at conception. Being able to think doesn't make you a person.

:jesus:

 

[Johnv]

There is only one theological biblical view and that is a person is created at conception.

It's important to understand biblical context. The writers of scripture did not have an understanding of conception (the joing of sperm and egg) as we know it. The belief was that the male sperm was the "seed" of life and that this seed is "planted" in the womb where it grows like a seed would.​

There is no scripture that expressly says life begins at conception as we know it today. There are several verses that say an baby in the womb is a life (Jer1:5, Ps139:13,16), but no verses that state that life begins at conception. A better case can probably be made for life beginning at pregnancy rather than at simple conception, especially since fertilized eggs being discharges without implantation is naturally very common, normal, and routine.

In either of these instances above, however, it is generally understood that elective abortion terminates a life. As such, the taking of a life in these cases shoudl be treated in the same manner scripturally as the taking of any other life, which scripture is generally against (with some exception).

 

[just-want-peace]

It's important to understand biblical context. The writers of scripture did not have an understanding of conception (the joing of sperm and egg) as we know it. The belief was that the male sperm was the "seed" of life and that this seed is "planted" in the womb where it grows like a seed would.
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There is no scripture that expressly says life begins at conception as we know it today. There are several verses that say an baby in the womb is a life (Jer1:5, Ps139:13,16), but no verses that state that life begins at conception. A better case can probably be made for life beginning at pregnancy rather than at simple conception, especially since fertilized eggs being discharges without implantation is naturally very common, normal, and routine.

bolded mine

This is a new one on me!

I knew that just plain eggs fit this category, but not FERTILIZED eggs!

 

[Magnetic Poles]

bolded mine

This is a new one on me!

I knew that just plain eggs fit this category, but not FERTILIZED eggs!

Happens all the time, and is very common. From HERE:

Studies have found that 30 to 50 percent of fertilized eggs are lost before a woman finds out she's pregnant, because they're lost so early that she goes on to get her period about on time -- in other words the woman doesn't realize she was pregnant at all.
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So, in other words, up to half of fertilized eggs are ejected before or during normal human menses.

 

[Marcia]

Does anyone know his mental state at the time the vehicle went off the road and into the water? I doubt it. Neither do I, so I will reserve judgement on how he behaved. I am not sure how I would respond or what mental state I would be in if someone drowned in my vehicle and I was drunk at the time.

I don't see how it gives him any less responsibility if he was drunk or had a bad mental state! It is horrific.

On when the soul begins, we donot all hold the same view as do many fundamentalists..We theologically believe that the soul begins, or the life in the womb, is a person somewhere between conception and actual birth. It becomes a person when it can actually think for itself. Not talking about knowledge, which comes with time, but with the ability to breathe on its own, rationally. Notice I did say theologically; that means biblical too!

I am not a fundamentalist. Why do people think that everyone who is against abortion is a fundamentalist?

So a baby minutes before he or she is born is not a person because he or she is not breathing on her/his own? I think I can find Bible verses against that view.

 

[Salty]

So a baby minutes before he or she is born is not a person because he or she is not breathing on her/his own? I think I can find Bible verses against that view.

Marcia, lets hope that a State or Commonwealth will start passing laws against abortion. Of course it will go to the Supreme court and just maybe the SCOUS will recognize the rights of States or Commonwealths.

 

[Aaron]

It's important to understand biblical context. The writers of scripture did not have an understanding of conception (the joing of sperm and egg) as we know it. The belief was that the male sperm was the "seed" of life and that this seed is "planted" in the womb where it grows like a seed would.​

This is a HUGE assumption, completely unhindered by any knowledge of fact.​

What did they think was happening to the woman every month?​

Besides, the Scriptures were written as men were moved by the Holy Ghost. If it can't be trusted in matters of God's creation, it can't be trusted in matters of Heaven, which "eye hath not seen, nor ear heard," IOW beyond what can be observed.​

There is no scripture that expressly says life begins at conception as we know it today. There are several verses that say an baby in the womb is a life (Jer1:5, Ps139:13,16), but no verses that state that life begins at conception.

Christ entered Mary at conception. "That which is conceived in you is of the Holy Ghost."

A better case can probably be made for life beginning at pregnancy rather than at simple conception, especially since fertilized eggs being discharges without implantation is naturally very common, normal, and routine.

"Fertilized egg" is an oxymoron. A "fertilized egg" is an embyro. It is fruit. An egg, by definition, is unfertilized. The law required that those who caused a woman's fruit to pass from her prematurely to be executed. "Life for life." Ex. 21:22-23

In either of these instances above, however, it is generally understood that elective abortion terminates a life. As such, the taking of a life in these cases shoudl be treated in the same manner scripturally as the taking of any other life, which scripture is generally against (with some exception).

Blah, blah, blah . . . Spare us with your psuedo—


—ahh, nevermind.

 

[Robert Snow]

It is unfortunate that the rules here forbid a discussion on this topic. But, since it does, I will not post my views on the subject.

 

[Aaron]

I think you'd feel more at home at an atheist's discussion board anyway.

 

[Johnv]

This is a HUGE assumption, completely unhindered by any knowledge of fact.

It is not an assumption. It is FACT that the ancient Jews were not aware of the mechanics of conception as we know them.

"Fertilized egg" is an oxymoron. A "fertilized egg" is an embyro.

Uh, no, a fertilized egg is a zygote. By definition, it is not an embryo until it implants.

 

[Robert Snow]

I think you'd feel more at home at an atheist's discussion board anyway.

I'm not the least bit concerned with what you think. I will post here on the board any time I feel like it. As long as I stay within the rules this should not be a problem.

Besides, someone has to offset the right-wing slant on Christianity.

 

[webdog]

I'm not the least bit concerned with what you think. I will post here on the board any time I feel like it. As long as I stay within the rules this should not be a problem.

Besides, someone has to offset the right-wing slant on Christianity.

So you are admitting to the wrong-wing slant of Christianity?