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Mary, only surrogate?

freeatlast

New Member
I think it means death passed to all mankind, not just men. Women die too.

I'm not debating this subject because apparently I'm quite ignorant on it, so when I asked questions, don't think I'm arguing with you. I am trying to understand.

Yes that is what it means, but because it says one man it is dealing with Adam alone not with Eve.
 

Amy.G

New Member
I tried to read it and the guy comes across as a nut case. He needs to stick to scripture instead of science.

Hmmm. I didn't think he seemed like a nut, but maybe he is. Science is good as long it's confirming God's word. Where it goes wrong is when it is opposed to God.
 

freeatlast

New Member
Hmmm. I didn't think he seemed like a nut, but maybe he is. Science is good as long it's confirming God's word. Where it goes wrong is when it is opposed to God.

I could not get past the first few paragraphs as there was no mention of scripture. We do not need science to confirm the bible. The bible confirms science. He should have stuck with the scriptures. Your friends belief is false and if scripture does not convince her then no amount of science will.
 

Zenas

Active Member
Amy, I think another thing that requires that Jesus be the true son of Mary is the Protoevangelium, Genesis 3:15. The seed of the woman spoken of here is Jesus. "Seed" implies genetic parentage, not some surrogate birth.

I think this is the only place in scripture that refers to the seed of a woman.
 

beameup

Member
I found an article about this subject and I don't know anything about the website, so I can't endorse those behind it, but it seems to make sense. If someone else would read it, I would appreciate it and then tell me what you think.

http://www.newgateministries.com/jerusalemchronicles/dna-of-jesus.html

I would not underestimate the importance of DNA. Satan's great attempt to corrupt the entire human genome
and thus render it impossible for God to provide a Savior for mankind is evidenced in Genesis 6.

Considering that genetic labs have recently grafted non-human genes into human DNA is a window into the horrible
things hinted at during the Tribulation. A real "Pandora's box".
 

Amy.G

New Member
Amy, I think another thing that requires that Jesus be the true son of Mary is the Protoevangelium, Genesis 3:15. The seed of the woman spoken of here is Jesus. "Seed" implies genetic parentage, not some surrogate birth.

I think this is the only place in scripture that refers to the seed of a woman.

I agree. I can find nothing that convinces me that Jesus was created in heaven and placed in Mary's womb.
 

beameup

Member
Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared for me: - Heb 10:5 :jesus:
 
Actually Allan, that's where she heard it. I want to gather scripture and info on this to help her confusion. She is my best friend.

Glad to see you back BTW! :wavey:


Things like this is why I have "ZERO" confidence in this man. I wouldn't waste my time with what he has to say. He is in love with Israel so much, that he should pack up and move.


If Jesus wasn't the Child of Mary, then we all need to throw our bibles in the river. I am not tossing mine.
 
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