Masonry It Really Is A Religion

[Logos1560]

is this your book with the picture of a pyramid on the cover ?

No, it is not my book.

My books are in English, and they have not been translated into other languages that I know of. It may be possible that someone translated my book without my permission, but I do not know whether this could possibly be a translation or not or whether someone may be using my name to promote their own book.

 

[Forever Settled]

No, it is not my book.

Ok.

 

[tyndale1946]

Jon are you referring to the masons because That wouldn’t apply to them.

Now, the reality is that Muslims, Hindus, Buddhists, Zoroasters, Confuciousists, and the list goes on with Atheists, yes Atheists, as Voltaire the famous Atheists was a Freemason, as well as Evolutionists, just as Charles Darwin was also a Freemason, and the reality is that "Christians" that have entered into the House of Dead are also indoctrinated with doctrines of devils, and those that have not truly been Born Again, and called out from among them, are seduced into worshipping Satan. This is a fact. Satanists-Witches head up the Illuminati-Masonic Lodge. The word "Illuminati" is signified of being "Light Bearer" of "Lucifer-Satan" false light.

Well I know one thing for sure and I will be blunt about it... A Mason maybe a Christian but a true Christian cannot be a Mason... The only thing this Christian has that is Mason, is a jar and that is in the pantry... Brother Glen

 

[Yeshua1]

Jon could you help me sort thru this.....If Pike is not using lucifer in a way people going back hundreds of years have used the word lucifer......what does the archaic sense mean ?

as the Ancient, Pagan, Satanic Mysteries! Pike continues in Morals and Dogma
" The true and pure philosophic religion is the belief in Lucifer, the equal of Adonay (Jesus); but Lucifer, God of Light and God of Good, is struggling for humanity against Adonay, the God of darkness and evil."

“Yes, Lucifer is God, and unfortunately Adonay (Jesus) is also God.”

Jon what archaic sense is Pike talking about ?
I have never been told this .....or heard of it.

He saw both of them equally as being God, Jesus and Lucifer!
And thought that Lucifer actually was the better one to be under...

 

[tyndale1946]

That seems to be a secret the masonic apologists don’t want revealed.

Don't try to understand it... Avoid it or you might get sucked into it... Don't say that will never happen to me?... The children of Israel said that many times too... Play with fire you get burned... Brother Glen

 

[Yeshua1]

That seems to be a secret the masonic apologists don’t want revealed.

That must be what Masons mean by getting the ole "lucifierian initation"

 

[JonC]

Rick Who are you calling Conspiracy Theorists? Are you an expert on the subject of Freemasonry? Have you been to their Lodge meetings? Have you seen their practice of Gnosticism? Do you have family members that are/were Masons? What do you know about Freemasonry other than a book that you have read that talks about Freemasonry? I have family members that are Masons. I have books written by Masons. I have seen the Satanic practices of Masons. Are you the conspiracy theorist parroting the words of other conspiracy theorists?

I think that @Logos1560 may be referring to some of the arguments you have made. While I agree that you point out dangers of Freemasonry, at the same time I have to acknowledge that you also offer proven hoaxes as fact.

The information you quoted of Albert Pike equating Satan to God (or superior to God) was never actually written by Pike. It has been around for a long time (it was a part of the Taxil hoax) and has made its way from hoax to urban legend to "fact" because it is often repeated.

This is what I warned of earlier. When we include false information with good information the false corrupts the good in the overall credibility of the message. Had you explored a bit further you would have left off the "lucifer" quote and dealt with the topic in a more credible way.

 

[Forever Settled]

The information you quoted

You mean like the spelling mistake I made .....I spelled adonay ...you were quick to say Pike’s writing didn’t contain that....You never acknowleged his works DID contain Adonai.

 

[Forever Settled]

When we include false information with good information the false corrupts the good in the overall credibility of the message.

You mean like masonary corrupts any small tiny amount of truth it may have .....when it mixes the worship of lucifer and Egyptian gods with the very tiny amount of actual truth it might contain ?

I get it.

 

[JonC]

You mean like the spelling mistake I made .....I spelled adonay ...you were quick to say Pike’s writing didn’t contain that....You never acknowleged his works DID contain Adonai.

I missed your query. Pike does say Adonai. But not in the context you provided (the quote you attributed to Pike was not really from Pike....it was a fake quote).

That is what I was pointing out. No matter how well meaning we may be, if we are careless enough to treat urban legend and hoaxes as facts then we discredit ourselves.

 

[JonC]

You mean like masonary corrupts any small tiny amount of truth it may have .....when it mixes the worship of lucifer and Egyptian gods with the very tiny amount of actual truth it might contain ?

I get it.

No. As I said I believe Freemasonry dangerous. But I believe Christians holding to hoaxes as if they are truth is just as dangerous (perhaps more so).

My argument was that Christians need to be extra careful to express truth and not falseness when confronting such organizations. I believe to you this means I am a Masonic apologist. But we are called to integrity. Had you took the time you would have known you were posting a fake quote as if it were real.

Christians need to stand on Scripture, with truth, and in Christ. There is no room for superstition and "fake facts". You have no room to complain of Freemasons distorting the truth when you do the same. If you can't be trusted with the small stuff (like what Pike actually stated) then how can you be trusted with the important things?

 

[Squire Robertsson]

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[David Kent]

Christmas is not a pagan holiday.

Why do most people who celebrate it aren't Christians? "Pagans are faithful to their festivals." - Terullian

Where does the scripture give the date of Christ's birth?
Where does scripture tell us to celebrate it?

• EXPOSITION
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• Verse 3. Blow up the trumpet in the new moon. Announce the sacred month, the beginning of months, when the Lord brought his people out of the house of bondage. Clear and shrill let the summons be which calls all Israel to adore the Redeeming Lord.
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• In the time appointed, on our solemn feast day. Obedience is to direct our worship, not whim and sentiment: God's appointment gives a solemnity to rites and times which no ceremonial pomp or hierarchical ordinance could confer. The Jews not only observed the ordained month, but that part of the month which had been divinely set apart. The Lord's people in the olden time welcomed the times appointed for worship; let us feel the same exultation, and never speak of the Sabbath as though it could be other than "a delight" and "honourable." Those who plead this passage will keep such feasts as the Lord appoints, but not those which Rome or Canterbury may ordain.:
• Spurgeon Treasuiry of David Psalm 81:3

 

[Squire Robertsson]

This axiom is well accepted in my sector of the Baptist Galaxy. Though we use it in matters of applying theology to our ecclesiology.

When we include false information with good information the false corrupts the good in the overall credibility of the message.

 

[Forever Settled]

Christians need to stand on Scripture, with truth, and in Christ. There is no room for superstition and "fake facts". You have no room to complain of Freemasons distorting the truth when you do the same. If you can't be trusted with the small stuff (like what Pike actually stated) then how can you be trusted with the important things?

That is rich coming from an unrepant apologist .

It appears that we are at strong disagreement. I have spoken the truth, and the truth is that Albert Pike was a Satanist that preached Lucifer, uniting world religions, and the Tower of Bebel. Freemasonry is the Anticrist Movement. No amount of disagreement from anyone that was once a Mason, or someone that has been pursuaded by the Masons to disagree with me, and to oppose me in this effort to expose the evil Satanic nature of Freemasonry will not change my mind about it, or discourage me. I have had Morals and Dogma and other Masonic books for many years, and in addition to my deep conversations with family members and other Masons that were honest about the fact that they worship Lucifer, I have seen the evils of the Satanic practices of Freemasons for myself. I am not biased to protect a group that has long been known to be of the Devil. It was because of the fact that Christians in the 1820's were aware of the fact that Freemasons worship Satan and practice witchcraft that the first 3rd major Political Party, known as the Anti-Masonic Party was formed in The United States of America. The effort of the Anti-Masonic Party was to prevent Satanists from being elected to any Political Office in all levels of Government, including the Presidency, Congress, and positions as Governors. The Churches have slumbered since those faithful days, and the rest is history, leading to the Great Tribulation. I will not "agree to disagree".