Masons/MorningStars

[Angie Miller]

Are the Masons/Morning Stars, a Religious Cult?

 

[Eladar]

They teach salvation by works, without the need for Christ.

You decide.

 

[Johnv]

By that reckoning, so does the boy scouts and girl scouts.

 

[Angie Miller]

I was hoping for a little more indepth description of them. I know nothing about this Cult, as someone says it is.
Thanks Angie

 

[Eladar]

There is alot of information at Saintsalive.com

 

[rsr]

I know of no reason why anyone believes the Masons think there is anything like salvation by works.

I can categorically deny the Boys Scouts believe any such thing. (But JohnV, you already knew that, didn't you?)

(From a former Cubmaster, Webelos assistant leader, Webelos leader and assistant Scoutmaster.)

[ December 03, 2002, 11:05 PM: Message edited by: rsr ]

 

[donnA]

Masons believe in salvation by keeping a moraly clean life, that sounds like works to me.

 

[Angie Miller]

Why is it they seem to be so secretive?

 

[Johnv]

Originally posted by katie:
Masons believe in salvation by keeping a moraly clean life, that sounds like works to me.

Like I said earlier, by that reckoning, so do boy scouts and girl scouts.

Johnv
former boy scout

 

[donnA]

I don't know John, do the girl scouts and boy scouts preach salvation? Or do they just lead the children to do good? Masons actually claim salvation by works, dedicated to any god.

 

[Johnv]

I disagree. Masons don't preach salvation. They're not a religion (as are neither the boy nor girl scouts). They do require that members believe in a higher power (as do the boy and girl scouts), and they do, however, "preach" good works (as do the boy and girl scouts).

Come to think of it, AA is not a religion, requires a belief in a higher power, and preaches good works.

Come to think of it, NarcAnon is not a religion, requires a belief in a higher power, and preaches good works.

 

[Eladar]

I don't recall any boy scout or girl scout rituals in which they tell their initiates that when they stand naked before God at the Great White Throne that the piece of clothing they were receiving would help to ensure their salvation.

 

[donnA]

Good works for the sake of good works is one thing. But good works for salvation is another.

 

[DinkyDoo]

Angie-
When I was growning up my dad was a 32 degree mason. I joined the Job's daughters which is the girl side of the Masons. Please note that my parents are catholic and did this more for buisness than any thing else.
I am not sure what they really do inside the temple. there is alot of rituals that happend. I found a few books that the masons give out to their brothers after my dad died. This book basically says that the idea and brotherhood came from egypt. Alot of the rituals are based from the rituals in egypt. There was not alot of bible reading or anything. It was really ritual thing. I never really did get it. I was basically there to meet boys! HAHA
Anyway...If you have any other questions about it let me know.
PS. I renounced everything I ever did in there!
Its under the blood now! Praise the Lord Jesus and I thank HIM!!!!!

 

[Johnv]

Freemasoner originated in Scotland, I believe. I'm not really sure where the ties to Egypt came in. If someone knows, I'm all ears. It wouldn't surprise me, though, since freemasons were related to the profession of building construction, and the Egyptian home to arguably the best construction techniques in the world (the Egyption builders took their craft very, VERY seriously).

 

[Johnv]

Originally posted by Tuor:
I don't recall any boy scout or girl scout rituals in which they tell their initiates that when they stand naked before God at the Great White Throne that the piece of clothing they were receiving would help to ensure their salvation.

You're referring to a writing that describes the analogy of being present before God and being told "well done. good and faithful servant". That's not a parallel of salvation, it's a parallel to the biblical view that each of us will be judge according to our works. I don't think this is part of the Masonic code; it's among writings by Masonic leaders. I could be wrong.

[ December 05, 2002, 01:18 PM: Message edited by: Johnv ]

 

[Johnv]

I joined the Job's daughters which is the girl side of the Masons.

And let me tell you, no one has ever done a better job at washing my car than the recent Job's Daughters car wash near my house!!

 

[Eladar]

You're referring to a writing that describes the analogy of being present before God and being told "well done. good and faithful servant". That's not a parallel of salvation, it's a parallel to the biblical view that each of us will be judge according to our works. I don't think this is part of the Masonic code; it's among writings by Masonic leaders. I could be wrong.

You are wrong, it is a part of a Blue Lodge ritual that every initiate goes through. Here is part of it:

Each candidate, upon completion of the initiation is given a white Lambskin Apron whose pure and spotless surface, he is told, would be

"an ever present reminder of purity of life and rectitude of conduct, and when at last, after a life of faithful service your weary feet shall have come to the end of life's toilsome journey and from your nerveless grasp shall have dropped forever the working tools of life, may the record of your life be as pure and spotless as this fair emblem which I place in your hands tonight, and when your trembling soul shall stand, naked and alone, before the Great White Throne, there to receive judgement for the deeds done while here in the body, may it be your portion to hear from Him who sitteth as the Judge Supreme, the welcome words: Well done, thou good and faithful servant. Thou hast been faithful over a few things, I will make thee rule over many things! Enter into the joy of thy Lord."

Tell me John, is there any ceremony that Boy Scouts or Girl Scouts go through that even comes close to this?

 

[Johnv]

It still looks to me like a parallel to the biblical view that each of us will be judge according to our works. Not one of salvation by works.

 

[Eladar]

Is it Biblical that we be judged purely on our works?

By the way, you didn't answer my question:

Is there any ceremony that Boy Scouts or Girl Scouts go through that even comes close to this?