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convicted1
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There is a salvation (deliverance) in believing, but it is not eternal. You have to consider what you are being saved (delivered) from when you read the salvation scriptures.
Well, you are espousing another gospel that really isn't another. The preaching of the gospel saves people, regardless what you say.
Keep spitting in the faces of all the preachers God has called to preaching His eternal gospel.
The inspired scriptures were not written to the non-elect but to God's elect people, as instructions as to how they should live their lives here in this world. They are already eternally saved by Christ's work on the cross. The purpose of a preacher is not to save souls eternally, but to preach the good news of the gospel to the sheep of God. The good news of the gospel is to inform the sheep that Christ has secured their eternal salvation by his work on the cross. There is a salvation (deliverance) in coming unto an understanding of the truth that his sheep receive as soon as they understand the truth as they are already eternally saved.Remember, God works through the preacher's message to reveal Himself to the lost people. Keep spitting in the face of all the preachers who God has called to save those who would believe.
convicted1
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The inspired scriptures were not written to the non-elect but to God's elect people, as instructions as to how they should live their lives here in this world. They are already eternally saved by Christ's work on the cross. The purpose of a preacher is not to save souls eternally, but to preach the good news of the gospel to the sheep of God. The good news of the gospel is to inform the sheep that Christ has secured their eternal salvation by his work on the cross. There is a salvation (deliverance) in coming unto an understanding of the truth that his sheep receive as soon as they understand the truth as they are already eternally saved.
The elect were not created saved, Forest. They become sinners when God imputes/accounts sin unto them. The gospel preached in power is God's way of drawing us to Him.
You seem to believe that the elect are saved from birth. Does you believe this? A simple yes/no will suffice.
Well, you are espousing another gospel that really isn't another. The preaching of the gospel saves people, regardless what you say.
Keep spitting in the faces of all the preachers God has called to preaching His eternal gospel.
We already showed forest that the "salvation" spoken of is eternal. I gave specific examples. There is no support for this born saved heresy.
Eternal salvation was accomplished for all of God's elect by the work of Jesus on the cross, so, they were eternally saved before they were born by natural birth. God quickens all of the elect to a spiritual life sometime after their natural birth, the non-elect are not qjuickened.The elect were not created saved, Forest. They become sinners when God imputes/accounts sin unto them. The gospel preached in power is God's way of drawing us to Him.
You seem to believe that the elect are saved from birth. Does you believe this? A simple yes/no will suffice.
The elect are sinners from the time they were born a natural birth and stay sinners until they die a natural death. Their sins are not accountable to them because Christ abolished their sins on the cross, past, present and furure sins.The elect were not created saved, Forest. They become sinners when God imputes/accounts sin unto them. The gospel preached in power is God's way of drawing us to Him.
You seem to believe that the elect are saved from birth. Does you believe this? A simple yes/no will suffice.
You will never harmonise the scriptures unless you seperate the salvation scriptures between eternal and timely.We already showed forest that the "salvation" spoken of is eternal. I gave specific examples. There is no support for this born saved heresy.
You will never harmonise the scriptures unless you seperate the salvation scriptures between eternal and timely.
NONE are actually saved until/when place faith in jesus, that is when God effectuals applies theatonement to them and saves them out of darkness unto light, and reconcile them back to Himself!
We are reconciled to God by the death of his Son, Rom 5:10.Col 1:21-22. When God's children place their faith in Jesus they receive a salvation (deliverance), not eternal but timely. Our belief is not the cause of our eternal salvation.NONE are actually saved until/when place faith in jesus, that is when God effectuals applies theatonement to them and saves them out of darkness unto light, and reconcile them back to Himself!
Christ came to this earth to do his Father's will, and the will of his Father was that he should be a sacrifice for the sins of those that he gave to his Son in which Christ died for the sin of those that God gave him and he said that he would not lose even one of them but raise them all up at the last day, John 6:37-41. Even though God's elect "were dead in trespasses and sins" The trespasses and sins are not held accountable to them because of Christ's work on the cross.While there are plenty of passages where "saved" can refer to something other than eternal salvation, but to say that none refer to eternal salvation is just plain false. First, you are not born saved. Your punishment for sin was paid for on the cross, but you are still born in sin. You were born "dead in your trespasses and sins."
Acts 4:12, 16:31, Romans 10:9 are just 3 examples of "saved" being refereed to eternal salvation and something we were not born with.
So yes, the Bible does tell us how to be eternally saved. It's by believing on the Lord Jesus Christ.
I did not say that none of the salvation scriptures pertain to eternal, I said that most of the salvation scriptures pertain to timely salvations. You did not quote me correctly.While there are plenty of passages where "saved" can refer to something other than eternal salvation, but to say that none refer to eternal salvation is just plain false. First, you are not born saved. Your punishment for sin was paid for on the cross, but you are still born in sin. You were born "dead in your trespasses and sins."
Acts 4:12, 16:31, Romans 10:9 are just 3 examples of "saved" being refereed to eternal salvation and something we were not born with.
So yes, the Bible does tell us how to be eternally saved. It's by believing on the Lord Jesus Christ.
The word "world" in John 3:16 according to Thayer's Greek interpretation means "used of believers only" as does John 1:29, 3:17, 6:33, 12:47, 1 Cor 4:9, 2 Cor 5:19. All scripture must harmonise to understand the truth.The salvation from believing is eternal. We are being saved from damnation, from eternal separation from God.
John 3:16 - For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.
I think that verse very much contradicts what you have stated Forest.
If a person believes in Christ, they are already saved eternally. You have misquoted John 3:16. It does not say "whosoever believes in him". It says "whosoever believeth (present tense) in him".The salvation from believing is eternal. We are being saved from damnation, from eternal separation from God.
John 3:16 - For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.
I think that verse very much contradicts what you have stated Forest.
convicted1
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The elect are sinners from the time they were born a natural birth and stay sinners until they die a natural death. Their sins are not accountable to them because Christ abolished their sins on the cross, past, present and furure sins.
Wrong! Flat out wrong!!!
A christian is NOT a sinner!! We are CHRISTians through the shed blood of the Lamb.
convicted1
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We are reconciled to God by the death of his Son, Rom 5:10.Col 1:21-22. When God's children place their faith in Jesus they receive a salvation (deliverance), not eternal but timely. Our belief is not the cause of our eternal salvation.
This is sad, Forest, very sad indeed! :tear: :tear: :tear: :tear:
As I have said before, unless you understand the depravity of man, before and after his rebirth, you will never understand the grace of God.This is sad, Forest, very sad indeed! :tear: :tear: :tear: :tear:
The word "world" in John 3:16 according to Thayer's Greek interpretation means "used of believers only" as does John 1:29, 3:17, 6:33, 12:47, 1 Cor 4:9, 2 Cor 5:19. All scripture must harmonise to understand the truth.
If a person believes in Christ, they are already saved eternally. You have misquoted John 3:16. It does not say "whosoever believes in him". It says "whosoever believeth (present tense) in him".
I didn't misquote anything. I quoted straight from Scripture. It says "whosoever believes". Whosoever believes - will have everlasting life. Your interpretation of believing not being a factor in everlasting life is false.
convicted1
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As I have said before, unless you understand the depravity of man, before and after his rebirth, you will never understand the grace of God.
I understand the depravity of mankind just fine, thank you. Adam sinned, spiritually died, and ushered in death for all mankind. God cursed the ground, and we come from the cursed ground, causing us to have the sentence of death place upon our flesh.
The reason some people get derailed in their understanding of the scriptures is because they are studying from versions of the bible that have changed the wording to fit their own persuasions.I didn't misquote anything. I quoted straight from Scripture. It says "whosoever believes". Whosoever believes - will have everlasting life. Your interpretation of believing not being a factor in everlasting life is false.