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May A Woman Pastor?
- Thread starter OLD SARGE
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Not in a Baptist Church
You would be surprised how many Baptist churches have a female pastor!
Still waiting though upon biblical support for women as Pastors or elders in the local church
Look for one and ask her.
Though I do remember asking a male pastor about that once - and he said something about not taking that verse literarily.
There is no support for women pastors or elders (as an office). But there is support for women as deacons (my objection would be that our view of deacons is often different from the Biblical use).
yes, as was not Phoebe stated to be a Deaconess?
Had one tell me that she thought that God had called a Man to be the Pastor, but since he refused she had to step up, but since her Ftarher had founded the church, think more like passing on the pulpit to her oncxe he stepped down
Was that a cultural mandate?Are all your women silent in church?
[Just testing consistency of hermeneutics.]
No. She was stated to be a deacon!
37818
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Romans 16:1, I commend unto you Phebe our sister, which is a servant of the church which is at Cenchrea:
. . . διακονον . . . . Deconess.
How is it set up in your church the offices, as we have Pastors and Elders, and deacons are those involved in the "business" side of the church functioning and operating
atpollard
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Personally, I look at the context ...
Corinth was the church that had "jumped the shark". So Paul was adressing a church where women were exercising their freedom in Christ to stand up in the middle of a service where someone that KNEW something was talking, and not allow their ignorance on the subject to stop them from disrupting the assembly with questions and talking that devolved into chaos. [remember, this is the same group where "prophets" had to be told to speak "one at a time"].
Paul's advice was for loud, disruptive women to "sit down and shut up and stop interrupting the gathering".
However, I never made any claims about what women were allowed to do in any and every church.
Priscilia helped train Apollos.
There were "deaconess" and prophetess".
There were "older women teaching the younger women".
And somewhere, into all that, fits "For the husband is head of the wife, as also Christ is head of the church; and He is the Savior of the body." - Ephesians 5:23 [NKJV]
OLD SARGE
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And they would be heretical and as John MacArthur would say they do not have a pastor.
OLD SARGE
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Not sure you can 100% prove it was only to women who make a disturbance though that may have prompted the need to say to be silent as so says the Law.Personally, I look at the context ...
Corinth was the church that had "jumped the shark". So Paul was adressing a church where women were exercising their freedom in Christ to stand up in the middle of a service where someone that KNEW something was talking, and not allow their ignorance on the subject to stop them from disrupting the assembly with questions and talking that devolved into chaos. [remember, this is the same group where "prophets" had to be told to speak "one at a time"].
Paul's advice was for loud, disruptive women to "sit down and shut up and stop interrupting the gathering".
However, I never made any claims about what women were allowed to do in any and every church.
Priscilia helped train Apollos.
There were "deaconess" and prophetess".
There were "older women teaching the younger women".
And somewhere, into all that, fits "For the husband is head of the wife, as also Christ is head of the church; and He is the Savior of the body." - Ephesians 5:23 [NKJV]
What did Priscilla say or do neither side of the argument can claim because we are not told.
Actually, the wives of a deacon were called that just as the wife of a prophet was called a prophetess though neither women held the office of deacon or had the gift of a prophet. Prophet was also used of a singer or poet or ascribed to anyone considered inspired. Deborah sang as did Mary and in those moments they were a prophetess.
Yes, the older women taught the younger women with the curriculum given in that passage. They were not pastors or biblical teachers as the word for teach in 1 Tim is different that the one in Titus.
Note that the only woman that taught and called a prophetess in the NT was Jezebel.
A woman pastor destroys the analogy of Christ and the Church since He is male and the Bride female.
Note that the first false doctrine was created by a woman.
Note that some of the greatest heretics in this age are women.
Pentecost started with men. Pentacostalism started with a woman being the first to speak in tongues at Azuza.
More women are "carried away" by false doctrine than men though men are far from exempt.
Woudl not say heretical, but would say they are against the clear teaching of Scripture regarding Male headship and leadership
atpollard
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I can demonstrate it by a “preponderance of the evidence” if required to do so, however …
What “Law” forbids a woman to speak?