McDonald's Homosexual Agenda

[Scarlett O.]

First, I'm not going to our local Burger King since it is nasty. How they remain open is beyond me.

Second, McDonalds is a corporation and they will advertise to anyone who will spend money in their establishments. As a secular business, I don't expect McDonalds to hold to Christian standards. Nor do I expect lost people to hold to Christian standards. We are not of this world, neither is our mission or message, and we should not expect this world to see or do things the way we do. Waiting for the world to see and do things our way is a waste of time.

Third, such boycotts don't work nor are they endorsed in Scripture. Spiritual warfare does not call for weapons of the flesh (guns, boycotts, legislation, etc). Trying to fight spiritual wars with fleshly weapons will only result in failure.

Fourth, you are free not to visit McDonalds. However this would be a matter of personal conviction. If you cannot visit a McDonalds in good consciousness then you should not. However going to McDonalds for my tea does not bother me (for the reasons expressed above).

Thank you......I was about to say that something like that, but not nearly as well as you just did.

I don't like the ad, myself, but then again, I don't like a lot of secular things promoted by all kinds of corporations from Nike to Wendy's to QVC. But these organizations are not churches.

 

[sag38]

I quit eating at McDonalds along time ago. The high standards of service, cleanness, etc., went way down and I gave them up. Too many times I was treated like I was doing McDonalds a favor by even placing an order. So, the homosexual thing doesn't really bother me. They are a secular organization catering to a group of people, in our society, who are generally well educated and better off financially. Any secular organization would be foolish not to at least acknowledge the gay community. Would I want to eat with a bunch of gay men? Probably not. It's like Disney World. I still go there. I haven't boycotted Disney. I just make sure that I don't take my family during the week when all the gays show up.

 

[Martin]

I am curious as to what you see as our responsibility when it comes to spending money at a business that we know uses their profits to publicly support an anti-Biblical position.

Well I am of the view that most of the businesses we interact with use our money for unChristian (or antichristian) things. As Paul says, if we are going to avoid the world we would have to leave the world (1Cor 5:9-10). Unless a business really does something that puts me off, I'm not likely to join any sort of boycott. While the McDonalds commercial is a sad example of life in a sinful world it is not going to affect my habits. Avoiding McDonalds is not going to stop them from running the commercial. Also, the commercial is being run in France which may or may not have any financial connection to franchises in the United States (I pled ignorance on this point).

I see this as a matter of conscious. If a person cannot purchase products from McDonalds with a clear conscious, then so be it. However for myself, and I imagine most Christians, it just does not rise to the level where I would join a boycott. Maybe it is because I just don't expect any better. I'm not one who thinks we should try to get lost people to act like saved people. Instead we should get lost people to become saved people. That is the answer, the Gospel. Boycotts generally change nothing (mainly in a situation like this).

When a Christian knows that a business uses their proceeds to publicly support an anti-Biblical position, does it make that Christian complicit?

I don't think so. I need their product, so I purchase it. Just like the people in Paul's day. They needed the meat, so they purchased it. Where it came from, or who they purchased it from, was a secondary issue. If, however, someone was convicted then Paul's instructions were clear (stay clear of the meat).

Personally, I don't understand why so many Christians are surprised when lost people (and secular companies) do things like this. My view is this is the very thing we should expect from them. After all, they are of the world (and we are not).

 

[StefanM]

This won't make any difference for me. I don't really like McDonald's so I rarely go there.

With regards to Chik-fil-a, I am glad for their workers' sakes that Sundays are off days, but that really doesn't make me eat there either.

I eat at Chik-fil-a because they have the best fast food, IMO.

 

[Robert Snow]

Remember that there are Christians who work at McDonald's who have nothing to do with this policy. They are just living from pay check to pay check!

 

[HAMel]

No Society has ever survived that has permitted, promoted or protected the practice of homosexuality.

Sodom and Gomorrah, Sparta, Athens, Rome, the Ivory Coast and the few others are now long gone, destroyed by their selfish and destructive sexual perversions and depravities.

The United States is not so "Special" in this regard that we will not be spared God's Wrath should we ever accept homosexuals on their terms?

As stated in an earlier post, those numbers of individuals in California opposed to homosexual marriage is dwindling. This trend will continue as the older adults in that state are dying off. The younger generation with no fear of God will soon out number those who do.

 

[Jim1999]

Please don't throw all homosexuals into the "gang" you see in the parades and public demonstrations. I am not supporting homosexuality by a long stretch, but I do have some sympathy for true homosexuals.

For example, we have a local medical doctor who happens to be lesbian. She is an excellent doctor and I wouldn't hesitate to go to her. In fact, I am good friend to both her and her mate. She was born and raise on the mission field to Baptist missionary parents. How did she become lesbian? She has a good knowledge of scripture and the gospel and professes faith in Jesus Christ. At what point are you going to deny her? I can't and I won't. She knows what I think about homosexuality and I still talk with her about it.....a lot tougher too with her medical background, I can tell you.

Secondly, it is wrong that all societies advancing homosexuality have been destroyed. Consider the Greek society which continues to this day with a homosexual bent. Even to-day, men take on boys as a sexual partner alongside their marriage...and it is done openly!

Then, what about the church members who listen to a sermon about the evils of gambling and you meet them after church at a local store buying lottery tickets!! I guess they were hollow amens in church.

We need to preach more on following Jesus and living for Him; the positive aspects of the Word. We gain more with a firm handshake than a fist.

Cheers,

Jim

 

[Martin]

No Society has ever survived that has permitted, promoted or protected the practice of homosexuality.

I don't believe that statement is historically true, but if you can provide evidence...

Sodom and Gomorrah, Sparta, Athens, Rome, the Ivory Coast and the few others are now long gone, destroyed by their selfish and destructive sexual perversions and depravities.

According to Scripture, homosexuality was only one of several factors that brought about the ruin of Sodom (Ez. 16:47-50). As for the others, I was not aware that homosexuality alone brought them down. I was under the impression that the reasons for their fall was a bit more complicated. Can you provide evidence to support your claims?

The United States is not so "Special" in this regard that we will not be spared God's Wrath should we ever accept homosexuals on their terms?

The commercial in the OP is not running in the United States, it is running in France. I have not seen anyone in this thread promoting "accepting homosexuals on their terms". Could you provide examples of this? As for God's wrath, America is already the target of His Holy wrath (Rom 1:18-32). Yes homosexuality is part of it, but only one part of it. The solution is not boycotts and political activism. Nor is the solution getting lost people to act like saved people (goats in sheep's clothing). The solution is the preaching of the Gospel. In other words, Christ and Christ alone is the solution to America's (and France's) problems.

As stated in an earlier post, those numbers of individuals in California opposed to homosexual marriage is dwindling. This trend will continue as the older adults in that state are dying off. The younger generation with no fear of God will soon out number those who do.

This is to be expected (2Tim 3:1-5, etc). Again, the answer is the Gospel not politics.

 

[Martin]

Remember that there are Christians who work at McDonald's who have nothing to do with this policy. They are just living from pay check to pay check!

Good point.

Because of a commercial being run in France, of all places, we are suppose to stop going to McDonalds in America. Yet we don't even know if the American franchises are directly connected to the French franchises running the ad in question. Keep in mind that some 85% of McDonalds franchises are independently owned and operated (source). Too many people jump on these bandwagons without considering all of the facts.

 

[Revmitchell]

we are suppose to stop going to McDonalds in America.

Who said this?

 

[tinytim]

Who said this?

Prolly me.. I have decided not to go.. this was the last straw. Besides bad service by teens that can't count.. they have horrible food just thrown together... and snot nosed brat managers... Besides.. their fries are sub-par.

But anyone else can do what they want.

 

[HAMel]

Martin, you asked for "evidence".

The best evidence I can provide is, Romans 1:24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves: Romans, 1:26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: and, Romans 1:27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet. (course, you knew this would be the scripture I'd rely upon)

The key to all this is God GAVE THEM UP. What does it mean to be given up on by God? Does the Lord just pick a bunch of people and decide to "give them up"? A certain number of souls from every generation? I certainly don't have the answers but one day I'm sure we will all have a clear understanding.

Do I hate homosexuals? No. Do I think they are addicted to a perversion? Yes? To me it's an addiction just as being addicted to dope and to cease and desist requires a strong desire to repent.

In Genesis 19 you find the story of Lot/Sodom and how the men of the city demanded that Lot turn those men (angels) out that they might "know" them. As you know, Sodom was turned into rubble.

No, I don't think the Lord is very much impressed with men on men and women on women no matter how many men have boy lovers in Italy. It's just an evil lie disguised as "gay" and I think anyone would be hard pressed to show anything other than frustration and fear.

 

[Revmitchell]

Prolly me.. I have decided not to go.. this was the last straw. Besides bad service by teens that can't count.. they have horrible food just thrown together... and snot nosed brat managers... Besides.. their fries are sub-par.

But anyone else can do what they want.

He said "we" implying someone said no one should go. I missed that post and was just wondering who was all inclusive.

 

[Dr. Bob]

One of our retired men (a deacon) works part time at McD's. He was upset over the collectable glasses with lead/cadmium.

Not sure I will mention this French commercial . . .

 

[Crucified in Christ]

Well I am of the view that most of the businesses we interact with use our money for unChristian (or antichristian) things. As Paul says, if we are going to avoid the world we would have to leave the world (1Cor 5:9-10). Unless a business really does something that puts me off, I'm not likely to join any sort of boycott. While the McDonalds commercial is a sad example of life in a sinful world it is not going to affect my habits. Avoiding McDonalds is not going to stop them from running the commercial. Also, the commercial is being run in France which may or may not have any financial connection to franchises in the United States (I pled ignorance on this point).

I see this as a matter of conscious. If a person cannot purchase products from McDonalds with a clear conscious, then so be it. However for myself, and I imagine most Christians, it just does not rise to the level where I would join a boycott. Maybe it is because I just don't expect any better. I'm not one who thinks we should try to get lost people to act like saved people. Instead we should get lost people to become saved people. That is the answer, the Gospel. Boycotts generally change nothing (mainly in a situation like this).



I don't think so. I need their product, so I purchase it. Just like the people in Paul's day. They needed the meat, so they purchased it. Where it came from, or who they purchased it from, was a secondary issue. If, however, someone was convicted then Paul's instructions were clear (stay clear of the meat).

Personally, I don't understand why so many Christians are surprised when lost people (and secular companies) do things like this. My view is this is the very thing we should expect from them. After all, they are of the world (and we are not).

Martin,
Thank you for your kind and thorough answer. I agree that much of what goes on in the secular world, in particular corporations, runs contrary to God's instruction. On this point, we are very much in agreement. Still, I wonder if there is a different standard when consuming a product helps to fund something that we are against.

Let me start by stating that I am not overly concerned about the French commercial. I am certainly not surprised that such a commercial would run anywhere in Europe. My question is more in regard to what was reported two years ago (which led directly to the AFA calling for a boycott)...that McDonalds had begun to donate a portion of its profits to the National Gay and Lesbian Chamber of Commerce (of which they are a leading member) as well as to other politically-involved Gay/Lesbian and Trans-gender organizations. The AFA was particularly concerned about pledges from McDonalds to financially support GLT groups that were legally challenging marriage bans. Having stated that distinction, let me see if I can clarify what I am saying.
You compare it to Paul's comment on purchasing meat and the connection to paganism and I think that this is a very useful section of the Scriptures in regard to many of these situations. The Christians, if they wanted to purchase meat, had only one option: to buy it from butchers who had purchased the carcasses of slaughtered animals. The meat that you were buying was likely from an animal that had been sacrificed to a pagan god. In this case, Paul was stating that eating the meat did not equate to honoring the sacrifice...thus honoring whatever god it was sacrificed to. Still, I wonder if the current case varies from it in one important detail.

In the example of McDonalds, they are giving part of their proceeds to fund homosexual groups. Does this change anything in your eyes?

I will try to give an extreme example in order to make my point. Would Paul have continued to argue as he did if a proceed of the butchers money had gone to purchase slaves to be used as temple prostitutes? Would he have continued to argue for liberty or would he have stated that, knowing a portion of your purchase will go to fund such activities, prohibits a Christian from being a customer? I know it is a fine line, but there does seem to be a difference in the example Paul gave and the example that we are talking about.

I thank you for your respectful dialogue and I look forward to reading your thoughts on this question. Thank you brother.

 

[Mississippi John]

I really like the 1/4 pounders w/ cheese/,

 

[mcdirector]

I don't eat at McDonalds not because of who they serve but because of what they serve! ICK.

I do eat at chick fil a about once a month and it's not about them being closed on Sunday. They have really good food.

 

[John Toppass]

I wish I could quit McDonalds tommorrow. I can't tho because I quit them a few years ago. But still miss the McRib.:laugh:

 

[Dr. Bob]

Proof that life is unfair. In our small town we have TWO McDonald's serving up the usual cardboard fare. We have TWO Hardees (only slightly better and no longer "fast"). We have TWO Taco Bell, TWO Arby's, THREE Buger King, TWO Taco John, EIGHT Subways, and a combo KFC/Long John.

BUT . . .

We have NO In-and-Out Burger which has to have the very best fast-food burgers in the world.
We have NO Chik-fil-A, the best of the non-burger type fast food.
And we have NO Baja Fresh, the best Mexican fast food.

Life is not fair and then you die.

Hungry.

 

[Peggy]

Well, you know the French are a bunch of poufs anyway.