McKissic asks SBC to add policy on tongues to statement of faith

Scripture?

Scripture?

Scripture?

 

Is this specualtion or this there some figures to back up your claim?

 

I agree that this is unbiblical and am ashamed that the Convention voted down the proposal that would have called for integrity and accountability in these records.

Joseph Botwinick

 

Who are those liberals you name? I wonder how they compare to the "conservatives" you follow?

The liberals you follow of the state and local association of the SBC in AZ were those who today took money from a church I was pastoring that for over 20 years invited the local Mormon bishop to come and preach at Christian events they sponsored. They are still the same liberals who are still there today who said and did nothing.

The liberal SBC you follow knew about it for about 20 years and never said anything. The liberal state SBC leaders had known about it for years and never aid anything yet accepted money from them for missions. The liberal SBC leadership is currently still there in that state.

The current liberal SBC leadershipyou follow in AZ supported the BFA when many other pastors you would call liberal stood against the ungodly, unbiblical practice of the BFA. When those pastors you call liberal brought the BFA malpractice to the floor of the Arizona convention the current liberal leadership of the state SBC assured the pastors and people that everything was okay and not to be concerned.

"Over a period of several years, the management of the Baptist Foundation of Arizona (BFA) engaged in one of the most audacious fraud schemes on record. BFA ultimately filed for bankruptcy, and thousands of elderly investors lost their life savings (http://www.nysscpa.org/cpajournal/2003/0703/dept/d075003.htm)."

So which brand of liberal are you? The one you follow or the one you name?

 

Southern Baptist definition of liberal: anyone not exactly like me.

 

Do you believe that the church is to scripturally be a democratic organization where a democracy rules. Show me one shred of evidence where any church in the Bible was this way. Jesus is not looked at as the president of a democracy. A democarcy can be evil or good depending on the majority.

"VI. The Church
A New Testament church of the Lord Jesus Christ is an autonomous local congregation of baptized believers, associated by covenant in the faith and fellowship of the gospel; observing the two ordinances of Christ, governed by His laws, exercising the gifts, rights, and privileges invested in them by His Word, and seeking to extend the gospel to the ends of the earth. Each congregation operates under the Lordship of Christ through democratic processes."


The USA has democratically voted to have abortion. A democracy is not inherently good. It can be very evil totally depending on the vote of the majority. If a church is led democratically and is an evil or misled church it can very easily continue to be evil and misled by majority vote.


A church should never depend on the vote of the majority but rather be led by the Holy Spirit while godly people make the decisons being led by God.

 

I have been called a liberal and a fundamentalist and everything in between. I wonder where that puts me?

 

Scripture?

Scripture?

Scripture?

For your question . . . Acts 6:1-7 . . . pretty much like we run local churches today . . .

 

I am resisting . . .

 

I see no indication of a democracy in the process in that passage.

Acts 6:1-7 is not practiced in all churhes. The majority of churches would fit into one of those in Rev. 2 & 3.

 

The majority of churhes would fit your revelation passages . . .

But, true Baptistic churches fit acts . . . the gospels . . . and the epistles . . .

 

No it was decided by an activist judge. No vote taken.

 

My understanding is that each state has voted on it. Who decided that abortion was legal?

 

I must apologize. I was under the assumption that most everyone was aware of roe v. Wade.

 

And I have manged to go without running into any of these folks. I know that it is not comfortable but those who ascribe to such heresies as a private prayer language is considered "liberal". It is most certainly no conservative.

 

I am aware of that court case but I also thought that each state had its own laws on abortion.

 

The word "Liberal" is not a pejorative any more than conservative is. The Private prayer language isnt about cessationism. I am a cessationist but even given that it never had a foundation in scripture. Private prayer language has never existed. there is no biblical foundation at any point in history.