ME (Millennial Exclusion) Posts

We are currently doing are building in this life correct? So do you think that building with wood when the Lord wants gold is not a sin?

 

That is because works can be *gasp* GOOD or BAD.
Bad works are SINs.

2 Timothy 4:14 Alexander the coppersmith did me much evil: the Lord reward him according to his works:

1Jn 3:12 Not as Cain, who was of that wicked one, and slew his brother. And wherefore slew he him? Because his own works were evil, and his brother's righteous.

 

I Corinthians 3:14If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward.
15 If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.

It says suffer loss. There must be something the Christian can lose.

 

I will make an agreement with you, somewhat.

It is our works to be judged. My question would be.... is doing bad works not a sin?

 

Yes, and the Lord paid for my bad works on the cross as well. I'm glad the Lord does not play the word game with works and sins. Could you imagine if the Lord told us that he paid for our sins on the cross but that we would have to pay eternally for our bad works, since they were not covered?

 

Alright! A word game! Can I play, I love Scrabble!:laugh:
They do not get it Mike. Or maybe they do but will not admitt it!

 

Again, the Greek for works in 1 Corinthians 3 is not translated as sin.

So the works we are judged for at the JSoC are not sin.

 

SFIC, I normally have a lot of respect for your arguments ( I apologize if I ever come across otherwise ) but this works/sins distinction is silly and if that is really what you are clinging to in order to negate the warnings in scripture, I pray that you will reconsider. If Cain's evil works were not sins, what were they?

 

Oh, now it's all coming together...it's the Greek that takes you down this road. God judges everyone according to their works, accept at the JSOC, because works is not translated as "sin" in the Greek, in 1 Corinthians 3. I get it now.

"Incline not my heart to any evil thing, to practise wicked works with men that work iniquity: and let me not eat of their dainties." - Psalm 141:4

"Because sentence against an evil work is not executed speedily, therefore the heart of the sons of men is fully set in them to do evil." - Ecclesiastes 8:11

"For God shall bring every work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether it be good, or whether it be evil." - Ecclesiastes 12:14

"And God saw their works, that they turned from their evil way; and God repented of the evil, that he had said that he would do unto them; and he did it not." - Jonah 3:10

"Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is. If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward. If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire. - 1 Corinthians 3:13​

In the above verses which ones can refer to sin and which ones can not because of the Greek?

 

Whatever it is that we do in this life, that constitutes building with wood, is a bad work.

I Corinthians 5:10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.

Just to make it crystal clear. You are saying that the bad work of building with wood, is not a sin?


P.S. If your Greek lexicon says bad means "worthless" that won't help either. A worthless work done for the Lord is still sin.

 

The verses you gave from the old testament are not the same works as in 1 Corinthians 3.

The works in your verses from the old testament are translated 'wantonness'. The works in 1 Corinthians 3 are not works of wantonness.

 

You apparently are trying to redefine what the Lord says is sin to fit your theories.

 

The work, or building, they are talking about is building up the church, leading people to Jesus, leading them to grow in Him, based on the foundation that Paul laid, Jesus Christ. The loss would apparently involve losing some of those we were teaching and mentoring, if our building materials (what we taught them) are not of good quality, not as good as the foundation. Perhaps this means building strong saints that can stand through persecution? It sounds like although we may have been incompetent teachers, at least we will be saved. The reward is seeing those we taught and mentored in heaven. The loss would be not seeing them there.

 

I'll give you a chance.......

Give me an example of a BAD WORK.

 

I do not mean to sound comical but I must point out....

Those in I Crointhians 3 are at the Judgement Seat of Christ, not a Sunday School Campaign.

 

Alright, so the word "work(s)" in the old testament, I should cross out and replace with "wantonness". What should I replace "work(s)" with in the New Testament?

 

Maybe I missed it. Where does Paul say they are at the JSOC?

 

Obviously, this means he will take a cut in pay.

At least according to some who only see rewards as good things, or not quite as many good things.

 

So, "bad works" are righteous?

 

I think its time we give up the idea that saying ME is derogatory, because I've seen the proponents use it freely in their exchanges.