ME (Millennial Exclusion) Posts

This is consistent with Jesus' statement:

Luk 17:20 And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation:
Luk 17:21 Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.

 

1 Co Then cometh the END, when he shall have DELIVERED UP THE KINGDOM TO GOD, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power. Lu 17:20 And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the KINGDOM OF GOD SHOULD COME, he answered them and said, The KINGDOM OF GOD COMETH NOT WITH OBSERVATION: Lu 17:21 Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, BEHOLD, THE KINGDOM OF GOD IS WITHIN YOU.

 

Baptist believer. We put this up at the same time.

 

James;
You still got me.................

 

Judas was not a believer.

Peter was not satan.

Get over it.

 

Be honest with yourself and quit trying to "exclude" those words that tell the truth about you. It is obvious that if you believe that some will be excluded from the Kingdom, then you believe in ME. If I take your logic to the next step (few--some--many--all), then you wouldn't have a millennial kingdom at all would you. All you would have is a Baptist Purgatory with every one in it, kind of like what the Catholics believe any way. But no one implied that everyone had to go through your ME before they got to the MK. No one said that at all. So why are you complaining about terminology. It is accurate. You believe that there will people (no one knows how many) that will be excluded from the Kingdom. That is factual. True?

We also believe we have to be accountable. We don't deny the verse that you quote. It is simply that your interpretation of that verse is not correct in our opinion. If God, as you say, is merciful and righteous, he would not be sending his own children whose sins have already been paid by the blood of Jesus Christ, into a Baptist Purgatory to suffer for their sins a second time. This is affront to Jesus Christ, a slap in his face, and a denial of the sufficiency of his blood to cover the penalty for our sins--a denial of the atonement. That of course, is heresy.

 

If you don't believe in the suffiency of the blood of Jesus Christ and His promise never to cast those who come to Him away, why believe in Him at all?

 

Oh, absolutely not! We don't sin in our soul -- that is where our salvation came immediately and eternally when we believed and repented!

I think this is not an issue well studied but our soul belongs in heaven today. That is the aspect of us that is a "citizen" not of this world but above!

Our "mind, emotions, and will" -- our "spirit" -- is still here below and often subject to our "flesh" or body, right?

But if our body were to change (as at the rapture), what would be left unchanged? Our spirit only! How can that be changed? Whatever of it was not purified by God in this life must be changed in heaven. Are you with me? It's the last and only "test" to go. What was built into you and how did you build into others' spirits.

Mike, I love the way you are asking questions and if I in any way am saying something that sounds "woodsy" or "stubbly," please let me know.

skypair

 

That is a great sermon on "NT tithing!" Are you hearing "10%" at your church? If you keep the tithe, you are subject to all the law, so says Paul.

Giving in the NT (correct me if I am wrong) was to hurting Christians, to the "ox" who worked in the fields, and to missionaries like Paul. I have yet to run across an instance of "tithing," per se, outside the gospels (the "anise and cumin" of the Pharisees, which was OT dispensation).

The Spirit is to guide your giving just as He guides the rest of your spiritual life. And me -- I'm tired of an SBC missions board that has so much money that the burocracy (sp?) "feasts" itself on the excess! And churches that have 20 plasma TV's while their brethren, victims of Katrina, haven't the money to rebuild their work! I'm absolutely sick of the self-indulgence!

skypair

 

Not their salvation, that part is clear in the statement, "but he himself shall be saved".

 

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: Thanks, Rufus -- you're right about your distinctives. But you're talking about the SAME basic premise, no? "Beaten with many stripes" though saved?

And "kingdom?" Isn't Catholicism insisting on an earthly, physical kingdom now of which you just move it into the future? Both are wrong. Both ignore the SPIRITUAL kingdom now. The PHYSICAL kingdom is future, yes --- New Jerusalem in heaven -- at the rapture.

Let me ask you -- once you have "put on glory," do you expect that you or any believer will put on corruption again? Is "perfection" to be punished?

skypair

 

Hold that thought. You're on to something!

The tribulation will be "hell on earth!" Those who don't believe today, though they be "churched," might well enter it and be excluded like "foolish virgins" from the "kingdom" though they come to the very door thereof!

You're starting to get it, HoG. Take this path and see that it is no "dead end."

skypair

 

Problem there is those who are churched but never surrender, never place their trust in the Lord Jesus Christ and His shed blood...

will never have a chance after the rapture of the saints. God will send them strong delusions and cause them to believe a lie and be damned because they received not a love for the truth.

 

Yes, but let's be reasonable -- you speak of "accountability" unto hell!! That is what is UNreasonable and negative. That's for UNBELIEVERS.

skypair

 

Again with the tribulation, OT, unbelievers comparisons! Where does it say, for instance, that these are sent to hell "temporarily?" That's just your reading into scripture what you want to find.

skypair

 

SERVANT, rufus. That is a "codeword" for ISRAEL. Please don't confuse church with Israel. It's a PARABLE. "Servants" are ISRAEL! Go find us a passage where God [leaves] Christ's bride, -- cause that's whose sake your preaching for!

Look, I hate to sink to this level of debate but you are being irrational!

skypair

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Do you not believe in more than one resurrection? When does that one occur? pretrib? postrib? post MK? I'm confused as to your eschatology on this (as I am as to your sotierlogy which we didn't finish discussing).

skypair

 

You are correct skypair, but leave them alone.
Look to yourself. Don't let the sins of others embitter you and rob you of your liberty in Christ.

God will take care of every injustice in the end.

Here is the NT principle for giving

2 Corinthians 9

6 But this I say, He which soweth sparingly shall reap also sparingly; and he which soweth bountifully shall reap also bountifully.
7 Every man according as he purposeth in his heart, so let him give; not grudgingly, or of necessity: for God loveth a cheerful giver.​

God bless you.

HankD