ME (Millennial Exclusion) Posts

1. First up, at the heart of my hermeneutic is my view of God.

a. He is all-loving and does not wish any of his image-bearers to be tormented forever.

b. Therefore, any Scripture that suggests that his image-bearers would be tormented forever, unendingly, must be understood differently.

c. You see, "forever" can also refer to a period of time, and this is how we should understad it in reference to the lost.

d. Because if we don't, we will have a loving God punishing his image-bearers for all eternity, unendingly.

2. I hope that answers your question.

 

Image-bearers? All men were created in the likeness and image of God no?

 

Let's leave the riddle of semantics aside. I'm not cultic, for we mean the same thing.

 

I'm not trying to be semantical, I'm trying to understand what you are saying. My definition of image-bearer would be all of humanity. If you have a different definition let me know so I can understand what you are saying.

 

By image-bearer I simply mean that we are created in the image of God. We bear his likeness (Gen.1). I hope that helps

 

Sure, but the heathen were created in that same image right? So while it is true that He would desire that no man might perish, it is also true that some of His "image-bearers" will ,in fact, be damned to an eternity in the Lake of Fire, in spite of this...

"For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life." - John 3:16​

Likewise, unprofitable servants will be cast out into outer darkness in spite of this...

"Fear not, little flock; for it is your Father's good pleasure to give you the kingdom." - Luke 12:32​

God desires all of humanity to be saved and avoid the Lake of Fire. God further desires all Christians to be sanctified and be vessels of good works that they may enter into the Kingdom.

 

1. I propose that you take my entire post into consideration.

2. I asked by James to argue like an annihilationist. That is what I did.

3. Therefore, I see no need to defend what I stated in that post, unless I'm an annihilationist.

 

Actually God desires that all people be saved so that they may enter into the rule and reign of God for eternity.

 

What part of this did you get from Matthew 25? How is it any different from the way you reason?

X. At the heart of my hermeneutic is my view of God.
1. He is all loving and does not wish any of his servants to go to outer darkness.
2. Therefore any scripture that says they will go to outerdarkness must mean something else.
3. Since these parables obviously say that, we must conclude that one cannot get doctrine from parables.
4. Case dismissed, and just in time for lunch!

 

I like my idea better. ME advocates can start their own discussion board and get off Baptist Board. Anyone can call himself a Baptist. But if you preach another gospel, you ain't one.

 

I guess the 'baptists' finally found a group that they can feel good about persecuting themselves. :thumbs:

 

Blahahahahahaha

 

Just cause you made yer home in a cookie jar don't make ya a cookie.

(saying the same thing 'cept in geogian)

 

Amy I'm interested in where Jesus preached faith in His death and shed blood as a substitute as salvation. And I would be even more interested in how the disciples, which a number of them didn't believe He was going to die and at least one other that was set against allowing it to happen were still saved, because there is no indication in Scripture that they believed that.

I do agree with you that Paul and Jesus preached the same gospel, in that they both preached regarding the kingdom. However Paul also preached the gospel of grace through faith apart from works. I don't see that anywhere in Jesus' earthly ministry. If you do can you please show me.

 

This thread goes too fast for me to keep up with, as I have other things to do.
As I said to the one who objected to my question:
Why do you object to a question?
Do the ME'er set the rules here at the BB?
Are they now the moderators? Do they now set the boundaries as to what questions may be asked and what questions cannot be asked? Do you not think it is ridiculous that we went through 24 pages on two different threads filled by ME'er complaining why they shouldn't answer a question or challenge? Why are they so afraid to answer a question of theology? Is it wrong to ask a question about the Bible? Did my question infer any heresy on my part? I am not the one espousing heresy here! Keep that in mind. I am not the one putting forth the idea of a Baptist Purgatory! I am simply asking if you can demonstrate that theology through the teachings of Paul? Yes or No? Why complain about the question? If you can't do it say so and be honest about it. You don't need 24 pages to complain about the question. It was just a question!!!!

 

I don't have much time to get into this debate right now as I have to get ready for church.

Jesus preached the Messiah that had come to save His people from their sins. No, the disciples did not understand all that encompassed, but they believed Christ. They put their faith in Him and left everything to follow Him. The same as Abraham wouldn't you say?

 

You said this among other things.

Do you now concede that a doctrine can be viable without being shown expressly in the writings of Paul? Or do you want to demonstrate from the teachings of Paul how unbelievers going to hell is a viable doctrine?

 

These types of arguments always make me laugh. Just because folks abuse Scripture doesn't mean that we have to throw that Scripture out. People abuse all of Scripture, but we can't throw it all out because some people make mistakes with Scripture.

The biggest reason why annihilationism is false despite it's use of parables is a fundamental misunderstanding of salvation. The argument is flawed because they say that the same word has two different meanings in the same sentence or passage. They correctly understand that aionios means age-lasting, but they only apply that meaning to destruction and not to life. They say aionios life is still without end, but aionios destruction means annihilationism.

Again just because some people abuse Scripture does not mean that we have to avoid it.

We draw the line where Scripture draws the line. And we should ONLY use the Holy Spirit's interpretive schema, because that is the only one that's right .

 

2 Thessalonians 1:7-9 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;

 

1. James, James! You asked me to reason like an annihilationist. That is what I did. I don't believe that stuff.

2. You would disagree with this reasoning precisely because you take another hermeneutic approach. That is all I'm saying.

3. Maybe I did a poor job of representing the annihitionist. But don't make a meal out of it, for I think you can do better.