Medical Examiner Concluded George Floyd Likely Died Of Fentanyl Overdose, Court Docs Reveal

[Revmitchell]

New court documents have uncovered two memorandums, dated May 26 and June 1, that suggest Chief Hennepin County Medical Examiner Dr. Andrew Baker concluded George Floyd likely died from fentanyl overdose and found “no physical evidence suggesting” that he died of asphyxiation.

Medical Examiner Concluded George Floyd Likely Died Of Fentanyl Overdose, Court Docs Reveal

 

[JonShaff]

Proverbs 18:13
He who answers a matter before he hears it, It is folly and shame to him.

Does this apply?

 

[Calminian]

Yet, they'll likely go for 1st or 2nd degree murder, which will result acquittal and more rioting.

I don't think the rioting is helping dems, though.

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[Salty]

Proverbs 18:13
He who answers a matter before he hears it, It is folly and shame to him.

Does this apply?

And isn't this exactly what most people were doing the day of and the days after Floyd died?
at the time of death - everything was speculation - now there appears to be some facts.

and vs 15 says: The ears of wise people seek knowledge

At the time - most people did not want additional knowledge - just the death penalty for the police officer.

 

[canadyjd]

New court documents have uncovered two memorandums, dated May 26 and June 1, that suggest Chief Hennepin County Medical Examiner Dr. Andrew Baker concluded George Floyd likely died from fentanyl overdose and found “no physical evidence suggesting” that he died of asphyxiation.

Medical Examiner Concluded George Floyd Likely Died Of Fentanyl Overdose, Court Docs Reveal

Just noting the words “suggest” the cause of death, and “likely died” of fentanyl overdose.

The statement that there was no physical evidence suggesting asphyxiation seems definitive. I believe the family of Mr. Floyd hired a well known medical expert to conduct an autopsy and he concluded there was evidence of asphyxiation.

Whatever else the autopsy may show, it will be hard for a jury to ignore the knee on the neck for 2:45 seconds after the officer was informed Mr. Floyd had no pulse.

For the record, I oppose the death penalty.

peace to you

 

[Benjamin]

Yeah, I often think about how a crushing knee to the back of Floyd while he cried that he couldn't breathe had nothing to do with his death as I walk along the beach in front of my property during these warm Arizona days...

 

[Use of Time]

New court documents have uncovered two memorandums, dated May 26 and June 1, that suggest Chief Hennepin County Medical Examiner Dr. Andrew Baker concluded George Floyd likely died from fentanyl overdose and found “no physical evidence suggesting” that he died of asphyxiation.

Medical Examiner Concluded George Floyd Likely Died Of Fentanyl Overdose, Court Docs Reveal

The lengths you will go for your politics are embarrassing.

 

[Calminian]

Yeah, I often think about how a crushing knee to the back of Floyd while he cried that he couldn't breathe had nothing to do with his death as I walk along the beach in front of my property during these warm Arizona days...

No one likes what the officer did. He should have let him up, especially as incapacitated as he was from the drug overdose, and the handcuffs. I believe the trauma of the knee in addition to his condition did cause his death. I believe he would have survived, with good medical help, had the officer acted differently.

But I don't believe this was a targeted racial murder, and a jury likely won't either.

 

[Yeshua1]

No one likes what the officer did. He should have let him up, especially as incapacitated as he was from the drug overdose, and the handcuffs. I believe the trauma of the knee in addition to his condition did cause his death. I believe he would have survived, with good medical help, had the officer acted differently.

But I don't believe this was a targeted racial murder, and a jury likely won't either.

When he gets acquitted, we will have more mass burning and destruction, all under the Dems approving eyes!

 

[Yeshua1]

New court documents have uncovered two memorandums, dated May 26 and June 1, that suggest Chief Hennepin County Medical Examiner Dr. Andrew Baker concluded George Floyd likely died from fentanyl overdose and found “no physical evidence suggesting” that he died of asphyxiation.

Medical Examiner Concluded George Floyd Likely Died Of Fentanyl Overdose, Court Docs Reveal

How will that play to the Jury?

 

[canadyjd]

No one likes what the officer did. He should have let him up, especially as incapacitated as he was from the drug overdose, and the handcuffs. I believe the trauma of the knee in addition to his condition did cause his death. I believe he would have survived, with good medical help, had the officer acted differently.

But I don't believe this was a targeted racial murder, and a jury likely won't either.

That is a good assessment of the situation.

As far as “murder” goes and proving intent, the 2:45 seconds of “knee on neck” after the officer was told Floyd had no pulse will probably play a significant role in any jury deliberation.

I wouldn’t be surprised to see a plea deal for something less than murder, maybe voluntary manslaughter with depraved indifference if that’s part of Minnesota law.

peace to you

 

[Calminian]

....As far as “murder” goes and proving intent, the 2:45 seconds of “knee on neck” after the officer was told Floyd had no pulse will probably play a significant role in any jury deliberation....

I hope the prosecutors aren't that dumb. I doubt they are. Trying to prove intent by actions taken after death is not a winning strategy.

 

[Reynolds]

New court documents have uncovered two memorandums, dated May 26 and June 1, that suggest Chief Hennepin County Medical Examiner Dr. Andrew Baker concluded George Floyd likely died from fentanyl overdose and found “no physical evidence suggesting” that he died of asphyxiation.

Medical Examiner Concluded George Floyd Likely Died Of Fentanyl Overdose, Court Docs Reveal

Because he was not being choked.
Rev. I hate to tell you that most, even on here, are more interested in optics and feelings than they are in facts.

 

[Reynolds]

That is a good assessment of the situation.

As far as “murder” goes and proving intent, the 2:45 seconds of “knee on neck” after the officer was told Floyd had no pulse will probably play a significant role in any jury deliberation.

I wouldn’t be surprised to see a plea deal for something less than murder, maybe voluntary manslaughter with depraved indifference if that’s part of Minnesota law.

peace to you

Knee over the neck, not on neck. If overdose is cause of death, officer is not guilty of anything.

 

[Reynolds]

Yeah, I often think about how a crushing knee to the back of Floyd while he cried that he couldn't breathe had nothing to do with his death as I walk along the beach in front of my property during these warm Arizona days...

They got him out of the car because he was screaming he couldnt breathe.
If the State Medical examiner says no asphyxiation, there was no asphyxiation. The prosecutor can not go against M E.
When M.E. is going to be a defense witness, you have a case that is dead in the water

 

[canadyjd]

I hope the prosecutors aren't that dumb. I doubt they are. Trying to prove intent by actions taken after death is not a winning strategy.

Actions taken while the man is dying is relevant.

The fact the officer couldn’t find a pulse doesn’t equal death. Floyd’s heart beat could have been so faint as to be undetectable by touch. His heart could have been out of rhythm at that point, making pulse undetectable.

Both of those conditions could have been caused by an overdose.

To continue to keep the knee on the neck after being told he couldn’t find a pulse can be seen as intent to make death certain, imo.

The prosecutors will make the charges and a jury will decide.

peace to you

 

[Salty]

The prosecutors will make the charges and a jury will decide.

and dont forget the defense team -
Then the jury will decide

 

[canadyjd]

and dont forget the defense team -
Then the jury will decide

Agreed. My error. Thanks for the correction.

The defense will make their case and medical examiner’s conclusion that Floyd likely died from overdose will be a big part of it.

I can see the prosecutor giving a demonstration for the jury where an officer kneels on someone’s neck, then is told they can’t find a pulse, and then wait another 2:45 seconds, just to show the jury how long that is.

peace to you

 

[Rob_BW]

They're rioting in Minneapolis over a man wanted for murder who committed suicide on camera.

I don't think the rioters will care what drugs were in Floyd's bloodstream during his death.

 

[Calminian]

Actions taken while the man is dying is relevant.

The fact the officer couldn’t find a pulse doesn’t equal death. Floyd’s heart beat could have been so faint as to be undetectable by touch. His heart could have been out of rhythm at that point, making pulse undetectable.

Both of those conditions could have been caused by an overdose.

To continue to keep the knee on the neck after being told he couldn’t find a pulse can be seen as intent to make death certain, imo.

The prosecutors will make the charges and a jury will decide.

peace to you

That's going to be a very difficult road. Vague at best. Per the evidence out there, I've concluded the officer was grossly negligent. I'm not an expert, nor do I have all the facts, but from what I've seen, he made some very stupid and incompetent decisions. To compound it, he tuned out the bystanders pleading with him, which showed he lacked proper concern for the person under his care. Officers are responsible for those they arrest. I don't think that aspect should be ignored, and I don't take that lightly. I do think he's been rightly terminated, and has committed a crime.

I still need to qualify this with the fact that I haven't seen all the facts and evidence of the case, nor by any stretch am I a legal expert. I can't even determine definitely that Floyd was going to make it even if the officer acted perfectly. That has to be taken into account also. My 2¢.