Medical Examiner Concluded George Floyd Likely Died Of Fentanyl Overdose, Court Docs Reveal

[Salty]

Trying to explain to the judge why you searched the vehicles of blacks, without probable cause, because they were rude to you, no doubt.

Glad you are retired

peace to you

1) if that was the case - he probally would not have been a leo long enough to retire, if not the DA or the attorney for the accused is not doing a good job.

2) I think you have established your belief that whites cops are always looking for excuses to only search vehicles of POC

 

[canadyjd]

What was the charge

and what was the other occasion?

Look, I’ll talk about this once and this is it.

I was a police officer in a town of about 40,000 for several years back in the eighties. I decided to quit after an incident where I was assaulted during an arrest by the local president of the NAACP. The city made a deal not to prosecute if he wouldn’t sue. I quit.

I’ve been to court many times. I’ve made many arrests, mostly non exciting DWI or minor drug offenses. I’ve made many traffic stops, but very few felony stops. I have been assaulted during arrests several times but never serious injuries.

I never served on a swat team or a drug intervention task force. I have helped detectives work murder scenes, mostly taking statements from witnesses.

I was in court often, but not twice a week like some.

I served as a certified trainer of first aid/CPR for the American Red Cross. A volunteer position. Most of those in my class were LEO’s getting required certifications for their departments.

About 10 years after I moved on from police work, I served on a jury trial where a 15 year old had been certified to stand trial as an adult. First degree murder. The other trial was civil trial. Car accident. I was select to be jury foreman in both, basically because no one else would take it.

Like I said, a non-expert on matters of law enforcement.

peace to you

 

[canadyjd]

1) ....

2) I think you have established your belief that whites are cops are always looking for excused to only search vehicles of POC

No. A certain poster has established by his comments he had racial bias as a LEO, and a shameful attitude that justified intentionally allowing his first aid and cpr credentials to expire so he could avoid helping people in need.

I am glad he is retired.

peace to you

 

[Salty]

Thank you for that info - and there is no doubt in my military mind that Reynolds may have been thru similar things.
Now that you have made mention - it puts a different light on your opinions.

As for myself - the only "LEO" I have is being deputized by the Windchester, Va; PD to preform traffic control duties during the
Windchester Apple Festive. In addition, I testified in court against a man who robbed me at a C-Store.

Once again - thank you.

 

[canadyjd]

Thank you for that info - and there is no doubt in my military mind that Reynolds may have been thru similar things.
Now that you have made mention - it puts a different light on your opinions.

As for myself - the only "LEO" I have is being deputized by the Windchester, Va; PD to preform traffic control duties during the
Windchester Apple Festive. In addition, I testified in court against a man who robbed me at a C-Store.

Once again - thank you.

If you were deputized to work the Apple Festival you are OK by me. All LEO’s have interesting stories.

Sorry to hear about the robbery. Hope the verdict was guilty.

peace to you

 

[Reynolds]

Trying to explain to the judge why you searched the vehicles of blacks, without probable cause, because they were rude to you, no doubt.

Glad you are retired

peace to you

Tellling your lies again.
I am glad I retired too. I love it!

 

[Reynolds]

Thank you for that info - and there is no doubt in my military mind that Reynolds may have been thru similar things.
Now that you have made mention - it puts a different light on your opinions.

As for myself - the only "LEO" I have is being deputized by the Windchester, Va; PD to preform traffic control duties during the
Windchester Apple Festive. In addition, I testified in court against a man who robbed me at a C-Store.

Once again - thank you.

You performed the most dangerous job in law enforcement. Statistically, working and directing traffic is the most dangerous task L.E. does.

 

[Reynolds]

Shameful.

peace to you

I take that as a compliment coming from you.
You gave one of your wild theories about how the officers not rendering aid would get them convicted. I simply told you that if they were smart, they had no legal duty. You again go off on one of your high and mighty moral superior rants.
I really dont give a field rats rear what you think about situations you are not present at. I rendered medical aid often. Did CPR many times. BUT, because I was not certified I had no obligation to do it nor any liability for injury to patient. I was acting as a Good Samaritan and not a professional.
I am sure you would, but I am mot getting bled on by junkies I know are Hiv or Hep C positive. I dont like blood. I really dont like deadly blood. I am not and never wanted to be a Paramedic.

 

[Salty]

You performed the most dangerous job in law enforcement. Statistically, working and directing traffic is the most dangerous task L.E. does.

And I was assigned the 5 way intersection! --this is when I was in the Virginia Defense Force!

Note: if you live in VA, the VADF is the State militia of VA ( we are the back up to the VA National Guard)
Many members are Vets/retirees of the US military - though federal service is not required.
You can join up till the age of 60 - (sixty years old)

 

[canadyjd]

.....I rendered medical aid often. Did CPR many times. BUT, because I was not certified I had no obligation to do it nor any liability for injury to patient. I was acting as a Good Samaritan and not a professional......

The more you say, the more I’m glad you are retired.

Peace to you

 

[Salty]

sbe
Sorry to hear about the robbery. Hope the verdict was guilty.

This happened about 1987. So the memory isnt the greatest.

First - at the robbery - nothing was taken - he got me so shook up
I couldnt open the register - wish I had - we would have gotten all of
$8. Company policy - no more than $20 in register after dark.
So he ran out ---- then he went to the city "next door"
Our police arrived within minutes - then the city "next door" must have been on the same
freq - they mentioned a robbery - same possible subject - our cops found him - arrested him.
when they found money under his seat - from the other robbery.

at the pre-trial hearing - I did ID him as well as the other clerk
(I was hoping she would be cute - would have asked her for a date- seriously)


He must have gotten out on bail - because I hear that he committed more serious crimes -
which included injury to the clerks.

I never went to trial as a witness - they probally had enough on him after the other stick ups


EPILOGUE
The next night the arresting cop came in -
wanted to borrow a magazine - since he had caught the bad guy the night before
I looked the other way.
A couple of weeks later - store had a audit -
Big shortage - I made a statement in writing - about the cop and the magazine -
because of that - I was fired! - the night of the robbery - 3 am when all was said and done
I told the boss I wanted to go home still had another hour on my shift - he said - NO - I left anyways.

 

[canadyjd]

This happened about 1987. So the memory isnt the greatest.

First - at the robbery - nothing was taken - he got me so shook up
I couldnt open the register - wish I had - we would have gotten all of
$8. Company policy - no more than $20 in register after dark.
So he ran out ---- then he went to the city "next door"
Our police arrived within minutes - then the city "next door" must have been on the same
freq - they mentioned a robbery - same possible subject - our cops found him - arrested him.
when they found money under his seat - from the other robbery.

at the pre-trial hearing - I did ID him as well as the other clerk
(I was hoping she would be cute - would have asked her for a date- seriously)


He must have gotten out on bail - because I hear that he committed more serious crimes -
which included injury to the clerks.

I never went to trial as a witness - they probally had enough on him after the other stick ups


EPILOGUE
The next night the arresting cop came in -
wanted to borrow a magazine - since he had caught the bad guy the night before
I looked the other way.
A couple of weeks later - store had a audit -
Big shortage - I made a statement in writing - about the cop and the magazine -
because of that - I was fired! - the night of the robbery - 3 am when all was said and done
I told the boss I wanted to go home still had another hour on my shift - he said - NO - I left anyways.

Amazing story. You are a lucky man. ID’s can be tricky at times. In situations like that, the surge of adrenaline causes the brain to limit higher functions and focus on flight/fight. Many people have limited memories immediately afterward, but start to remember details days or weeks later.

Sounds like good police work tainted by unnecessary request for gratuity for doing his job.

Glad you landed on your feet.

peace to you

 

[Salty]

urge of adrenaline causes the brain to limit higher functions

Never thought about that , but I suppose it makes sense.
tell you this, I usually never had problem opening up my cash drawer!

Glad you landed on your feet.

Forgot to mention one thing - he had something in his jacket -
I thought it was a handgun
turned out to be a tire iron.
but evidently in GA - if I (the victim) thought it was a hand gun- then legally it is a handgun!

 

[Reynolds]

The more you say, the more I’m glad you are retired.

Peace to you

As am I. I cant believe a person such as yourself would get in a scrap with the NAACP chair. I was, and still am, good friends with the two gentlemen who Co-chair the NAACP where I worked. I have a good professional relationship with the chair where I live. Good folks.

 

[Reynolds]

Such totally disconnected testimony would prove nothing for your case. Where is the testimony establishing that the officers knew or could know this situation was a drug overdose? Where is the testimony establishing that without the officers presence and actions, this would not have been a case of drug overdose resulting in death?

We must keep in mind that a woman present was telling the officers he was crazy. It seems they were acting accordingly with mental illness. It can be difficult to distinguish between chemical intoxication and mental illness. Phentynol abuse cane after my time. Ihave never knowingly dealt with it.

 

[Reynolds]

When this whole Floyd mess shakes out, I am confident it will become obvious this incident was influenced by factors from

Never thought about that , but I suppose it makes sense.
tell you this, I usually never had problem opening up my cash drawer!




Forgot to mention one thing - he had something in his jacket -
I thought it was a handgun
turned out to be a tire iron.
but evidently in GA - if I (the victim) thought it was a hand gun- then legally it is a handgun!

Pretty much so. A weapon is a weapon. The portrayal of a non weapon as a weapon constitutes a weapon.

 

[canadyjd]

....
You gave one of your wild theories about how the officers not rendering aid would get them convicted......

That isn’t the point I am making. It is not that they refused to render aid after they couldn’t find a pulse. It was they stayed on Mr. Floyd’s back and neck for 2:45 seconds after they couldn’t find a pulse.

There is no legal reason for a LEO to stay on top of a handcuffed suspect that is unconscious, unresponsive and with no detectable pulse. If you can articulate one, I’m willing to listen.

It amounts to pre-meditation, imo. It amounts to a deliberate effort to end Mr. Floyd’s life, imo. That’s why I think first degree murder is appropriate, though I suspect a plea bargain to a much lesser charge will be the outcome.

I encourage everyone to kneel on a pillow in the floor for 2:45 sec. Imagine you’re on a man’s neck that is unconscious, unresponsive and that your parter has told you he couldn’t find a pulse.

You will find it takes effort to stay on one knee, and 2:45 sec is a lot longer than you think.

peace to you

 

[Reynolds]

That isn’t the point I am making. It is not that they refused to render aid after they couldn’t find a pulse. It was they stayed on Mr. Floyd’s back and neck for 2:45 seconds after they couldn’t find a pulse.

There is no legal reason for a LEO to stay on top of a handcuffed suspect that is unconscious, unresponsive and with no detectable pulse. If you can articulate one, I’m willing to listen.

It amounts to pre-meditation, imo. It amounts to a deliberate effort to end Mr. Floyd’s life, imo. That’s why I think first degree murder is appropriate, though I suspect a plea bargain to a much lesser charge will be the outcome.

I encourage everyone to kneel on a pillow in the floor for 2:45 sec. Imagine you’re on a man’s neck that is unconscious, unresponsive and that your parter has told you he couldn’t find a pulse.

You will find it takes effort to stay on one knee, and 2:45 sec is a lot longer than you think.

peace to you

I agree, and have agreed, that the officer did some stupid stuff.
But:
1. No evidence has been offered that race played any role in the event.
2. The medical evidence concludes that the officer did not kill floyd. If the officer didnt kill him, he didnt murder him, nor did he man slaughter him. You must go where the evidence leads you.

 

[Salty]

This link is 3 months old - but it was the first I heard of this

 

[MRoss]

The more you say, the more I’m glad you are retired.

Peace to you

And the more I read of BaptistBoard, the more I'm glad I'm not a Christian.

Peace to you, too. =)