Meet the Pastor Running as a Progressive Republican to Get Big Money Out of Politics

[Brent W]

Wait I thought you said you didn't like money in the political system. Now you're saying you just don't think anyone that's independently wealthy in politics. So how poor (or unsuccessful) must one be to have your support?

I don't look at individuals and make judgement but I do look at the body of work that is his cabinent and it clearly shows favoritism toward those with substantial wealth like him. I have no issue with a rich person being in power. I do have a problem with a very wealthy person like trump taking advantage of a billion dollar party and adding his billionaire buddies to important cabinent positions.

I am sure you understood what I meant but instead would rather play word games with me and spin things around a bit. I don't have any interest in entertaining you further. My comments are clear on where I stand here. I do not support an administration that puts the wealth of themselves and those close to them over the well being of the American public.

 

[Calminian]

I don't look at individuals and make judgement but I do look at the body of work that is his cabinent and it clearly shows favoritism toward those with substantial wealth like him. I have no issue with a rich person being in power. I do have a problem with a very wealthy person like trump taking advantage of a billion dollar party and adding his billionaire buddies to important cabinent positions.

I am sure you understood what I meant but instead would rather play word games with me and spin things around a bit. I don't have any interest in entertaining you further. My comments are clear on where I stand here. I do not support an administration that puts the wealth of themselves and those close to them over the well being of the American public.

Not sure why you're insulting me. Am I not allowed to express myself like you are?

I like the fact that Trump is choosing people with a trail of success. I'm merely asking why it bothers you so much. Please stop accusing me of word games.

 

[Brent W]

Not sure why you're insulting me. Am I not allowed to express myself like you are?

Please point out where I insulted you???

Please stop accusing me of word games.

Then stop playing them.

Now you're saying you just don't think anyone that's independently wealthy in politics.

That is putting words in my mouth.

For what? He has done absolutely nothing to take money out of the political system. He has appointed billionaires to his cabinent and his tax plan favors the wealthy. There is absolutely nothing that Trump has done to reform the political system.

You took one brief part of my post and quoted it out of context.

 

[TCassidy]

I do have a problem with a very wealthy person like trump taking advantage of a billion dollar party and adding his billionaire buddies to important cabinent positions.

But insofar as our most serious problem in this country right now is a $20 trillion national debt, doesn't it make sense to appoint people to leadership positions who have a proven ability to run profitable businesses by means of best practices and sound decision making?

 

[Calminian]

...Then stop playing them....

What word games?

 

[Brent W]

But insofar as our most serious problem in this country right now is a $20 trillion national debt, doesn't it make sense to appoint people to leadership positions who have a proven ability to run profitable businesses by means of best practices and sound decision making?

In theory. However when the cuts that achieve that do not impact the wealthy and only impact the middle class and poor it doesn't make sense.

Right now Trump's ideal situation continues to pad the wallets of those in his class and does not provide relief to middle and lower class.

 

[Brent W]

What word games?

I'm not going to waste anymore time explaining that to you and future off topic posts from you to me will be ignored. I clearly pointed it out in my previous post to you. If you do not understand it then maybe someone else can explain it to you.

 

[Calminian]

In theory. However when the cuts that achieve that do not impact the wealthy and only impact the middle class and poor it doesn't make sense.

Right now Trump's ideal situation continues to pad the wallets of those in his class and does not provide relief to middle and lower class.

Corporate tax is a tax on the poor. Corporations don't pay taxes, they merely figure them into their cost of doing business, and raise consumer prices accordingly. Or worse they move out of the country. None of the CEOs end up having to mortgage a house and sell one of their yachts. All it does is raise the cost of American made goods for middle-class and poor consumers.

 

[Brent W]

None of the CEOs end up having to mortgage a house and sell one of their yachts. All it does is raise the cost of American made goods for middle-class and poor consumers.

I see a problem with any party that lets CEOs hold the middle and lower class hostage by continuing to amass fortunes while they lay off people. The solution to this should not be to reward these companies with massive tax cuts.

 

[Calminian]

I see a problem with any party that lets CEOs hold the middle and lower class hostage by continuing to amass fortunes while they lay off people. The solution to this should not be to reward these companies with massive tax cuts.

But you just ignored my argument. The poor and middle class actually pay for corporate tax hikes. Nothing changes for the CEOs either way. How can you support the poor paying for corporate tax hikes?

 

[Brent W]

But you just ignored my argument. The poor and middle class actually pay for corporate tax hikes. Nothing changes for the CEOs either way. How can you support the poor paying for corporate tax hikes?

I didn't ignore it I simply do not believe trickle down economics works. I certainly do not support massive corporate tax breaks that will pile on to the National Debt as well. Especially with a 4.7 unemployment rate. America is at work right now. Help the Middle and Lower class by cutting the taxes they see on their existing income instead of rewarding the top percent.

 

[Calminian]

I didn't ignore it I simply do not believe trickle down economics works....

That was not my argument. Had nothing to do with trickle down economics.

 

[Brent W]

I certainly do not support massive corporate tax breaks that will pile on to the National Debt as well. Especially with a 4.7 unemployment rate. America is at work right now. Help the Middle and Lower class by cutting the taxes they see on their existing income instead of rewarding the top percent.

That was not my argument. Had nothing to do with trickle down economics.

Then stop ignoring the rest of my post content and just picking and choosing what you respond to. This is my argument on why I disagree with you.

Your insistence on ignoring entire pieces of content to pick out what you want to respond to keeps any meaningful conversation from happening between you and anyone else that disagrees with you on this forum.

You asked:

How can you support the poor paying for corporate tax hikes?

so I responded with:

I certainly do not support massive corporate tax breaks that will pile on to the National Debt as well. Especially with a 4.7 unemployment rate. America is at work right now. Help the Middle and Lower class by cutting the taxes they see on their existing income instead of rewarding the top percent.

 

[Calminian]

Then stop ignoring the rest of my post content and just picking and choosing what you respond to. This is my argument on why I disagree with you.

Your insistence on ignoring entire pieces of content to pick out what you want to respond to keeps any meaningful conversation from happening between you and anyone else that disagrees with you on this forum.

You're back to insulting again, but the fact is, I didn't make a trickle-down argument. That is something completely different. I merely stated that the poor pay for corporate tax hikes through consumer cost increases. So far, you have not responded to this.

 

[Brent W]

You're back to insulting again, but the fact is, I didn't make a trickle-down argument. That is something completely different. I merely stated that the poor pay for corporate tax hikes through consumer cost increases. So far, you have not responded to this.

You are too thinned skinned to be inside a political discussion area if you believe that any of my posts toward you are insulting. I have not insulted you and I am not the only one that thinks this.

I have responded to you. I do not believe that giving the top .02 percent a $353 billion tax cut will lower costs of consumer goods. I also believe the following, which you continue to ignore and not respond to:

I certainly do not support massive corporate tax breaks that will pile on to the National Debt as well. Especially with a 4.7 unemployment rate. America is at work right now. Help the Middle and Lower class by cutting the taxes they see on their existing income instead of rewarding the top percent.

Do you support this system? Your silence to my comments leads me to believe you do. It is either that or you have no rebuttal. Which is it?

 

[JohnDeereFan]

Sounds like another Jimmy Carter. Christians see right through this.

I agree. Progressivism isn't conservative and shouldn't be in the GOP.

But it doesn't surprise me that some people support this idiot.

 

[Brent W]

people support this idiot.

Why call him an idiot just because you disagree with him? Why do some insist on being disrespectful based solely on difference of opinion? If you disagree with someone they are a liberal, idiot etc.

It is immaturity at its finest.

 

[Calminian]

BTW, there's another glaring problem with this Pastor's desire to remove money from politics. He doesn't take into account the Media is comprised of large corporations who fight for candidates with millions and millions of dollars. This pastor supposedly wants to get money out of politics, but what he really wants is to transfer all political power and money to the Mainstream Media.

Media corporations would not be limited at all in this scheme, only other corporations and wealthy individuals. The wealthy Media would have full reign to spend what ever precious time they want on their favorite candidates, which would be worth countless millions. This pastors knows that if he merely agrees to embrace liberal ideologies, they'll give him good press which amounts to free money.

The dirty little secret is, he does't want money out of politics at all. He merely wants to cut off all non-media revenue streams.

 

[Brent W]

BTW, there's another glaring problem with this Pastor's desire to remove money from politics. He doesn't take into account the Media is comprised of large corporations who fight for candidates with millions and millions of dollars. This pastor supposedly wants to get money out of politics, but what he really wants is to transfer all political power and money to the Mainstream Media.

Why do you assume that he wants to transfer money to the mainstream media? Just because he didn't explicitly detail his every belief and agenda in a one page blog post about him? I imagine that someone like him would oppose Citizens United which would go a long way from keeping major media giants like Fox and CNN from contributing to Super Pacs.

As far as your media coverage goes, each side has their completely biased billion dollar media empires. Republicans have a billion dollar Fox News and Democrats have CNN,

Media corporations would not be limited at all in this scheme, only other corporations and wealthy individuals. The wealthy Media would have full reign to spend what ever precious time they want on their favorite candidates, which would be worth countless millions. This pastors knows that if he merely agrees to embrace liberal ideologies, they'll give him good press which amounts to free money.

Not if you repeal Citizens United and keep Super Pacs from existing. Stop treating corporations like individual humans and you take the medias money out of politics.

The dirty little secret is, he does't want money out of politics at all. He merely wants to cut off all non-media revenue streams.

You base this on what again?

 

[Calminian]

the MSM has been trying for many decades to take money away from other individuals so they have all the power. They are huge corporations who control the democratic party. They in essence are the democratic party. They hide behind the 1st amendment to protect their financial interests, but don't support others' rights to free speech. They don't want us as individuals to fund ads, so they can simply run their stories and be the sole influence on society.

'Taking money out of politics' is simply a Media monopoly ploy.