Meet the Pastor Running as a Progressive Republican to Get Big Money Out of Politics

[TCassidy]

Not if you repeal Citizens United and keep Super Pacs from existing. Stop treating corporations like individual humans and you take the medias money out of politics.

Citizens United was rightly decided by SCOTUS, just wrongly applied.

A corporation is, by definition, a single, individual entity - IE a "corpus." A single body. That definition is of absolute import in product liability law. If a corporation were not treated under law as a single entity it would be impossible to ever justly receive redress of grievance in court.

The problem is the application. Each and every incorporated PAC should be held to the maximum allowed individual contribution of $2,700 per election to a Federal candidate or the candidate's campaign committee.

That would put a stop to the PACs effectively buying elections by flooding the election with money.

 

[Brent W]

The problem is the application. Each and every incorporated PAC should be held to the maximum allowed individual contribution of $2,700 per election to a Federal candidate or the candidate's campaign committee.

That would put a stop to the PACs effectively buying elections by flooding the election with money.

Exactly.

 

[Brent W]

the MSM has been trying for many decades to take money away from other individuals so they have all the power. They are huge corporations who control the democratic party. They in essence are the democratic party. They hide behind the 1st amendment to protect their financial interests, but don't support others' rights to free speech. They don't want us as individuals to fund ads, so they can simply run their stories and be the sole influence on society.

'Taking money out of politics' is simply a Media monopoly ploy.

Taking the money out of politics does not hand over the power to the media if corporations are treated at the same level as individuals when donating to political causes.

 

[TCassidy]

However when the cuts that achieve that do not impact the wealthy and only impact the middle class and poor it doesn't make sense.

How are the middle and poor classes impacted by Trump's plan.

 

[Brent W]

How are the middle and poor classes impacted by Trump's plan.

At 4.7 percent unemployment rate Americans are working. This idea that slashing corporate taxes is going to somehow be passed down to consumers via either more jobs (already low unemployment) or cheaper consumer products (why lower prices when people are already buying and employed?) doesn't work.

I see no gain to the middle or lower class by continuing to make the top richer. Instead of the drastic corporate tax cut those tax cuts should be applied to the middle and lower class.

They are at work. Let them keep more of their paycheck. Keep the tax holiday and maybe a few other tax breaks for actual businesses but $350 billion dollars for the .02 percent is ridiculous.

 

[Calminian]

...That would put a stop to the PACs effectively buying elections by flooding the election with money.

.....and effectively transfer all power over the giant media corporations. I think all corporations should have the same rights. If media can give countless millions in media time to their favorite candidates, others should also.

 

[Brent W]

.....and effectively transfer all power over the giant media corporations. I think all corporations should have the same rights. If media can give countless millions in media time to their favorite candidates, others should also.

I don't think you understand what media is. It isn't some special entity that operates outside of a corporation LOL

 

[Revmitchell]

Why call him an idiot just because you disagree with him? Why do some insist on being disrespectful based solely on difference of opinion? If you disagree with someone they are a liberal, idiot etc.

It is immaturity at its finest.

Do you even read your posts?

 

[Calminian]

I don't think you understand what media is. It isn't some special entity that operates outside of a corporation LOL

I don't think you realize, you just made my argument.

 

[Brent W]

Do you even read your posts?

What does this mean? Have you ever considered expanding on your posts past claiming you are being insulted or not responding in short generic replies with little substance like this?

Calling someone an idiot you have never met and are judging based on one article online is immature and provides no value to a discussion.

 

[Brent W]

I don't think you realize, you just made my argument.

Obviously I don't understand your argument. What do you think Media is if it isn't a corporation? Removing money from politics means removing corporations ability to fund Super Pacs. If corporations can't fund Super Pacs with unlimited money they can't influence politics.

Therefore, since media such as Fox News and CNN are corporations, they can not flood politics with money.

I don't know how much more straightforward my point can be.

 

[Revmitchell]

Why is it the governments job to take money away from the rich (via taxes) in order to give it to others who did nothing to work for it and took no risk to obtain it? While the government has the ability to tax the idea that we should be taxed for wealth redistribution ( far left extreme ideology) is contrary to the founding of our country.

 

[Revmitchell]

What does this mean?

It means you say one thing and do another quite frequently round here.

Have you ever considered expanding on your posts past claiming you are being insulted or not responding in short generic replies with little substance like this?

I have been on this board a long time. Again you have not been here long enough to make such claims.

Calling someone an idiot you have never met and are judging based on one article online is immature and provides no value to a discussion.

Again do you even read your posts?

 

[Calminian]

Obviously I don't understand your argument. What do you think Media is if it isn't a corporation? ....

You didn't read my post. If you did, you wouldn't ask this question.

 

[Brent W]

Why is it the governments job to take money away from the rich (via taxes) in order to give it to others who did nothing to work for it and took no risk to obtain it?

Seriously? You think the only ones who take risks are the wealthy? What about those in 2008 who lost all of their jobs and had no say in the risks that Wall Street bankers took? What about those that lost their pensions and 401ks?

It blows my mind that someone can honestly say that lower and middle class workers who are employed and pay taxes, who help run the factories, pave the roads, construct our infrastructure do not deserve to see more of their paycheck over a $350 billion dollar cut to .02 of the population.

So that is why I think that hard working lower and middle class Americans deserve to see that money more than the .02 top percent.

While the government has the ability to tax the idea that we should be taxed for wealth redistribution ( far left extreme ideology) is contrary to the founding of our country.

Its no more wealth redistribution than taking from the poor and middle class to give back to the rich.

 

[Brent W]

It means you say one thing and do another quite frequently round here.



I have been on this board a long time. Again you have not been here long enough to make such claims.



Again do you even read your posts?

I have no clue what your time on here has to do anything and I ask again for you to expand on your comment regarding me reading my posts?

You obviously have an issue with me and its causing this thread to become something it isn't. Either take this privately with me or stop singling me out with nonsense generic replies that explain nothing.

 

[Brent W]

You didn't read my post. If you did, you wouldn't ask this question.

Why don't you explain where I am going wrong then? That is the appropriate thing to do when you have someone that doesn't understand where you are coming from. It is a lot more beneficial to discussion than what you and @Revmitchell continue to do which is reply with non information posts about my replies to you.

 

[Calminian]

....It blows my mind that someone can honestly say that lower and middle class workers who are employed and pay taxes, who help run the factories, pave the roads, construct our infrastructure do not deserve to see more of their paycheck over a $350 billion dollar cut to .02 of the population....

And yet you want to cripple these middle class workers with high costs of goods due to super high American corporate taxes. The CEOs are laughing because high corporate taxes don't effect them personally at all. They just raise prices or move their corporations out of the country.

 

[Calminian]

Why don't you explain where I am going wrong then?....

Why don't you read my posts?? I explained explicitly what I believe Media is. I have no idea what's confusing you.

 

[Brent W]

And yet you want to cripple these middle class workers with high costs of goods due to super high American corporate taxes. The CEOs are laughing because high corporate taxes don't effect them personally at all. They just raise prices or move their corporations out of the country.

There is no indication that corporations, if taxed at the current rate they have over the last 8 years would raise prices. There is no indication that once they get all of these tax breaks they are going to cut prices on consumer goods.

In fact, time after time, large corporations have shown that they will instead take care of their shareholders first before they think about their workers or consumers.