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[DaChaser1]

I just wonder can a Calvinist prove with scripture they are in fact elect?
MB

yes, that is confirmed by making my election sure, evidenced by faith placed in jesus Christ!

Per the Apostle peter, making sure/confirming that my election is real and genuine!

 

[Don]

...by faith placed in jesus Christ!....

"Faith placed in Jesus Christ"? Your faith? Or someone else's?

And if it's your faith, then what about the arguments that faith is something worked in/on us?

And if it's faith that's been worked in/on us, then how can you explain "faith placed in Jesus," if it was faith worked in/on us by Jesus?

I apologize; your terminology confuses me sometimes.

 

[Don]

I just wonder can a Calvinist prove with scripture they are in fact elect?
MB

Take a look at Romans 9.

 

[agedman]

Yes.

"salvation has come to the Gentiles" -Rm 11:11

I'm a gentile.

"For God has bound all men over to disobedience so that he may have mercy on them all." - Rm 11:32

I'm a part of "all"

"And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature." - Mk. 15:16

I'm a creature.

"God so loved the world..."

I'm in the world.

"...whosoever believes in him shall not perish..."

I'm a whosoever that believes

"everyone who repents and believes will be saved..."

I have repented and believed.

But did you show you were "elect."

 

[DaChaser1]

"Faith placed in Jesus Christ"? Your faith? Or someone else's?

And if it's your faith, then what about the arguments that faith is something worked in/on us?

And if it's faith that's been worked in/on us, then how can you explain "faith placed in Jesus," if it was faith worked in/on us by Jesus?

I apologize; your terminology confuses me sometimes.

I have no inherit faith in myself, The Lord granted that to me as part of his slavation package!

He elected me beforehand, sent me His HS to convict reprove open my heart and mind He granted me the gifts of repentance and faith to possess eternal life in Christ!

 

[Don]

I have no inherit faith in myself, The Lord granted that to me as part of his slavation package!

He elected me beforehand, sent me His HS to convict reprove open my heart and mind He granted me the gifts of repentance and faith to possess eternal life in Christ!

So you're saying you don't have faith in Christ, you have faith by Christ?

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or rather: So you're saying you don't have faith in Christ, you have faith by Christ/Holy Spirit?

 

[quantumfaith]

I have no inherit faith in myself, The Lord granted that to me as part of his slavation package!

He elected me beforehand, sent me His HS to convict reprove open my heart and mind He granted me the gifts of repentance and faith to possess eternal life in Christ!

DA, you don't see how that seems just a bit circular?

I have faith because I am elect.
I am elect because I have faith.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

So then you folks concur with the view of the Roman Catholic Church, which insists that the will of man is the decisive factor in salvation.....OK, I see.

 

[Don]

So then you folks concur with the view of the Roman Catholic Church, which insists that the will of man is the decisive factor in salvation.....OK, I see.

Actually, just looking for the calvinist explanation of "by faith" or "faith in," as well as the poor flashlight analogy initiated by Aaron. Then we can discuss the catholic errors.

 

[webdog]

So then you folks concur with the view of the Roman Catholic Church, which insists that the will of man is the decisive factor in salvation.....OK, I see.

The logic (or lack) of calvinists is baffling. How would you even arrive at such a conclusion from what was presented on this thread?!?

 

[mont974x4]

Because He chose us before the foundation of the world we are His sheep long before the moment of our actual conversion.

We see that clearly in John 10.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

Actually, just looking for the calvinist explanation of "by faith" or "faith in," as well as the poor flashlight analogy initiated by Aaron. Then we can discuss the catholic errors.

My point Don is that they are not exclusively Roman Catholic. However, have fun attacking Aaron.:tongue3:

 

[Don]

My point Don is that they are not exclusively Roman Catholic. However, have fun attacking Aaron.:tongue3:

"Attack"? My intention was not to "attack" anyone; just looking for clarification of how the analogy actually fits.

 

[DaChaser1]

"Attack"? My intention was not to "attack" anyone; just looking for clarification of how the analogy actually fits.

ANY who get saved are elected out by God/chosen in Jesus....

God appointed them to receive jesus in order to get saved, as in book of Acts under preaching of Apostle Peter!

God choses to save me, grants me the faith and the message of the Gospel, works so I receive jesus and confirm that His election was effective and sure!

 

[MB]

yes, that is confirmed by making my election sure, evidenced by faith placed in jesus Christ!

Per the Apostle peter, making sure/confirming that my election is real and genuine!

Peter was speaking to Jews not gentiles. If you are Jewish then I understand and would agree.
MB

 

[MB]

Take a look at Romans 9.

I've read Romans 9 so how is Pauls concern for his brother Jews have anything to do with gentiles and there election. Are you saying that you are a descendent from Jacob ?
MB

 

[MB]

Because He chose us before the foundation of the world we are His sheep long before the moment of our actual conversion.

We see that clearly in John 10.

John 10 is about sheep and hearing and following the Lord. It doesn't prove you are elect in fact it doesn't say a thing about election. Are you claiming you are elect because you can hear? Everyone can hear if they are willing to listen.
MB

 

[mont974x4]

It is a picture of election. The sheep that are His knew His voice and when He came and called for them they followed.

Scripture tells us that not everyone can hear and know His voice.

 

[Skandelon]

But did you show you were "elect."

According to the correct biblical understanding of 'elect,' yes.

But, not according to the way Calvinists define it, no, but why would I do that since I reject the premise that God individually preselects certain individuals?

 

[Don]

ANY who get saved are elected out by God/chosen in Jesus....

Please consider; this election can also be considered analogous to being elected to a political position; i.e., you're not elected until actually elected. Thus, the believer, upon salvation, becomes "elect."

God appointed them to receive jesus in order to get saved, as in book of Acts under preaching of Apostle Peter!

God choses to save me, grants me the faith and the message of the Gospel, works so I receive jesus and confirm that His election was effective and sure!

And thus, the mystery identified regarding Aaron's flashlight analogy: God chose to save you. Why didn't He choose to save the guy next to you?