Messiah was Cruficied in 37 CE

[thomas15]

...In Scripture the virgins had a pretty good idea of when the bridegroom was coming. They didn't know the day or the hour, but they knew within a few days/weeks....

Why is it that people get upset because God has given us His timeline and there are some that want to know what it is? I don't understand that. Unless you can prove that we can't even know the year or the month then I think your sarcastic remark was misplaced.

But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, nor the Son, but the Father alone.

Well J.Jump, I'm not upset with you at all. However, in plain English, we are told to be ready for at any time the bride may return. And I'm tempted to go along with your 6000/7000 year +/- a few hundred years for a rough date of the return of the Bride but I'm hesitant to because it puts me into the theological school of the watchtower society and I don't want to go there.

I'm sorry you don't care for my sarcasm, I wish I had phrased it differently.

Tom

 

[J. Jump]

I'm sorry you don't care for my sarcasm, I wish I had phrased it differently.

Thank you Tom!

I'm not sure what the Watchtower group has to say about it. But as I have said many times on here that just because a group or groups abuse Scripture that doesn't mean we have to run away from the difficult parts of Scripture or avoid talking about them.

I think God gave us His timeline because He wanted us to be informed.

The septenary arrangement of Scripture is critical in our understanding of several "key" doctrines.

Thanks again for your kind words!

 

[Ed Edwards]

CE --> Christian Era ?

CE = Common Era

But what is the 'Common Era' in the world:

Try AD = Anni Dominia = Year of Our Lord (i.e. Christ)

BC = Before Christ

BCE = Before the Common Era

CE & BCE are used by people who don't want
to recognize Christ Jesus.
Which is better than people who recognize
another Christ (Christ Mytriatha /a false Christ for shur/
comes to mind).


So BC & BCE denote the same time
So AD & CE denote the same time

Personally I believe that Jesus, the Messiah, was
born on 25 Dec 0001BC and circumcised
on 1 Jan 0001AD. Hence, Jesus became a
full Jew on the first day of the era named in His Honor.

 

[Ed Edwards]

Who was the Jewish Rabbi who first proposed that
there would be a 7th Millinniam of Rest
and that on 6001 st year after Adam was created,
the Messiah would come?

 

[Hope of Glory]

But as I have said many times on here that just because a group or groups abuse Scripture that doesn't mean we have to run away from the difficult parts of Scripture or avoid talking about them.

If we did, we would have to become pro-abortion so as to not sound like a Catholic, eh?

BTW, we're given an approximate timeframe of 2,000 years, but nowhere are we given a specific.

However, it's fairly easy to show, using the Jewish calendar and historical event that Jesus was born in 6 BC and most likely on 25th of September of that year, by the way we currently reckon dates.

We know from Scriptures that he began his ministry at 30, and continued for about 3 1/2 years. If you take a look at the perpetual calendar from the Encyclopedia Britannica (which is no longer available for free, I don't think; but there are some decent perpetual calendars out there), 29 AD (by the way we currently reckon dates) is the only year in that general vicinity in which the Jewish feasts fall in such a way to meet all the Scriptural requirements, and because of calendar differences, etc., that would have made him about 33 1/2. (Dealing with calendar differences is a pain, btw, but I got a secular scholar who deals in dating things to run the numbers for me.)

 

[Ed Edwards]

Jesus said:

Mat 25:13 (KJV1611 Edition):
Watch therefore, for ye know neither the day,
nor the houre,
wherein the Sonne of man commeth.

the Greek word translated 'day' means
figuratively 'a period of time'.
The Greek word translated 'hour' means
figuratively 'a period of time'

(Ed notes that 'month' and 'year'
also mean figuratively 'a period of time'
and are used that way in the Bible.)

Here is how we would say it on the internet:

Watch therefore, for ye know not the time,
wherein the Sonne of man commeth.

Or it could be said:
Watch therefore, for ye know neither the month,
nor the year,
wherein the Sonne of man commeth.

However, I do know which age that the
Son of Man will come: the current evil
era, also known as (AKA):
the time of the Gentiles, the Church Age,
the pre-Millinnial-Messanic-Kingdom Age.

Matthew 24:4-14 delineates in the very
words (translated if you have an English
Version) of Jesus, the Messiah, what the
signs are that the Time of the Gentiles
(the Church Age) continue.

Ed checks Fox network, yep a war is going on.
We are still in the Church age (Time of the
Gentiles).

 

[Bismarck]

Jesus said:

Mat 25:13 (KJV1611 Edition):
Watch therefore, for ye know neither the day,
nor the houre,
wherein the Sonne of man commeth.

the Greek word translated 'day' means
figuratively 'a period of time'.
The Greek word translated 'hour' means
figuratively 'a period of time'

(Ed notes that 'month' and 'year'
also mean figuratively 'a period of time'
and are used that way in the Bible.)

Here is how we would say it on the internet:

Watch therefore, for ye know not the time,
wherein the Sonne of man commeth.

Or it could be said:
Watch therefore, for ye know neither the month,
nor the year,
wherein the Sonne of man commeth.

However, I do know which age that the
Son of Man will come: the current evil
era, also known as (AKA):
the time of the Gentiles, the Church Age,
the pre-Millinnial-Messanic-Kingdom Age.

Matthew 24:4-14 delineates in the very
words (translated if you have an English
Version) of Jesus, the Messiah, what the
signs are that the Time of the Gentiles
(the Church Age) continue.

Ed checks Fox network, yep a war is going on.
We are still in the Church age (Time of the
Gentiles).

Aren't most people here "Gentiles"? What do you mean?

 

[David Lamb]

I may be way wrong because I don't go to skool anymore, but BC/AD and BCE/CE are just different names for the same thing. Secular authorities changed to CE because they don't like what AD stands for.

You learn something new every day. I had always ignorantly assumed (because I have seen "CE" and "BCE" on Christian sites and mailing lists like BB) that the C stood for "Christian". Thanks for putting me straight on that, James.

 

[David Lamb]

Back to one of my unanswered ??s....

How is it we decided that Jesus was crucified at 30? All my life I've heard 33.

You haven't just heard it - you have probably read it, too. Luke 3.23:

And Jesus himself began to be about thirty years of age, being (as was supposed) the son of Joseph, which was the son of Heli,​

The context shows this as the start of His public ministry, which is usually assumed to have lasted about three years. Whether or not that is a correct assumption, He wouldn't still have been 30 when He was crucified.

 

[Bismarck]

You haven't just heard it - you have probably read it, too. Luke 3.23:

And Jesus himself began to be about thirty years of age, being (as was supposed) the son of Joseph, which was the son of Heli,​

The context shows this as the start of His public ministry, which is usually assumed to have lasted about three years. Whether or not that is a correct assumption, He wouldn't still have been 30 when He was crucified.

Jesus "began to be about 30 years of age". About 30 describes any age from 27-33.

Here is my chronology:


John the Baptist's ministry began in 29 AD (Luke 3:1). Jesus was 20 years old at this time (b. 9 AD). (I recall that this is the exact age when Jewish men begin Torah studies.)

Jesus' ministry lasted 3 years, according to Church tradition. Thus, Jesus' ministry must have lasted from 34-37 AD.

I offer that Jesus studied under John, as his disciple, for the previous 5 years (29-34 AD). Jesus' Baptism would have been in 29 AD, and would have begun an intensive 5 year discipleship under John. Jesus "graduated" in 34 AD, and branched out on his own. Both Jesus and John ministered simulataneously for about 2 years (34-36 AD), until John was imprisoned and beheaded.

Jesus was then "on his own" for 6 months (Sept. 36 - Mar. 37 AD).


NOTE: This perfectly explains the "difference" between the Synoptic Gospels (which only describe a 6 month ministry) and John's Gospel (which clearly mentions 3 full years). The reconciliation is that Jesus' sole ministry all by himself was only 6 months (this is the focus of the Synoptics), but his total ministry was 3 years (as John relates) including a 2.5 year "co-ministry" with John.

 

[Bismarck]

You haven't just heard it - you have probably read it, too. Luke 3.23:

And Jesus himself began to be about thirty years of age, being (as was supposed) the son of Joseph, which was the son of Heli,​

The context shows this as the start of His public ministry, which is usually assumed to have lasted about three years. Whether or not that is a correct assumption, He wouldn't still have been 30 when He was crucified.

(1) Jesus "began to be about 30 years of age". About 30 describes any age from 27-33.

(2) The Synoptic Gospels (Matthew, Mark, Luke) only focus on the last 6 months of Jesus' ministry, from John the Baptist's beheading until Jesus' Crucifiction. Please see below for how I reconcile this "6 month ministry" in the Synoptics with the "3-year ministry" of John (and Church Tradition). In short, John the Baptist's beheading = Luke's start of Jesus' ministry "at about 30". John the Baptist was beheaded in Sept. 36 AD, when Jesus was about (36 - 9 = ) 27 years old, which is "around 30".

Here is my chronology:


John the Baptist's ministry began in 29 AD (Luke 3:1). Jesus was 20 years old at this time (b. 9 AD). (I recall that this is the exact age when Jewish men begin Torah studies.)

Jesus' ministry lasted 3 years, according to Church tradition. Thus, Jesus' ministry must have lasted from 34-37 AD.

I offer that Jesus studied under John, as his disciple, for the previous 5 years (29-34 AD). Jesus' Baptism would have been in 29 AD, and would have begun an intensive 5 year discipleship under John. Jesus "graduated" in 34 AD, and branched out on his own. Both Jesus and John ministered simulataneously for about 2 years (34-36 AD), until John was imprisoned and beheaded.

Jesus was then "on his own" for 6 months (Sept. 36 - Mar. 37 AD).


NOTE: This perfectly explains the "difference" between the Synoptic Gospels (which only describe a 6 month ministry) and John's Gospel (which clearly mentions 3 full years). The reconciliation is that Jesus' sole ministry all by himself was only 6 months (this is the focus of the Synoptics), but his total ministry was 3 years (as John relates) including a 2.5 year "co-ministry" with John.

 

[ReformedBaptist]

(1) Jesus "began to be about 30 years of age". About 30 describes any age from 27-33.

(2) The Synoptic Gospels (Matthew, Mark, Luke) only focus on the last 6 months of Jesus' ministry, from John the Baptist's beheading until Jesus' Crucifiction. Please see below for how I reconcile this "6 month ministry" in the Synoptics with the "3-year ministry" of John (and Church Tradition). In short, John the Baptist's beheading = Luke's start of Jesus' ministry "at about 30". John the Baptist was beheaded in Sept. 36 AD, when Jesus was about (36 - 9 = ) 27 years old, which is "around 30".

Here is my chronology:


John the Baptist's ministry began in 29 AD (Luke 3:1). Jesus was 20 years old at this time (b. 9 AD). (I recall that this is the exact age when Jewish men begin Torah studies.)

Jesus' ministry lasted 3 years, according to Church tradition. Thus, Jesus' ministry must have lasted from 34-37 AD.

I offer that Jesus studied under John, as his disciple, for the previous 5 years (29-34 AD). Jesus' Baptism would have been in 29 AD, and would have begun an intensive 5 year discipleship under John. Jesus "graduated" in 34 AD, and branched out on his own. Both Jesus and John ministered simulataneously for about 2 years (34-36 AD), until John was imprisoned and beheaded.

Jesus was then "on his own" for 6 months (Sept. 36 - Mar. 37 AD).


NOTE: This perfectly explains the "difference" between the Synoptic Gospels (which only describe a 6 month ministry) and John's Gospel (which clearly mentions 3 full years). The reconciliation is that Jesus' sole ministry all by himself was only 6 months (this is the focus of the Synoptics), but his total ministry was 3 years (as John relates) including a 2.5 year "co-ministry" with John.

I am curious, and don't mean this in any other way but to know, how do these things (here and in other posts you have of this nature) build you up in Christ Jesus? How do you think these things work to the edification of the saints?

 

[ReformedBaptist]

Aren't most people here "Gentiles"? What do you mean?

I'm a Jew, according the inward man that is.

 

[npetreley]

Maybe someone pointed this out already, but didn't you (Bismark) say in another thread that Jesus was crucified c. 30 AD/CE? It was in the context of making other dates work out, so wouldn't 37 AD/CE ruin some of the reasoning in the other thread(s)? I'm not disputing either date, just wondering how you reconcile the differences.

 

[ReformedBaptist]

Bismark,

In case you didn't see this in another thread, I was hoping you could answer:

1. Do you confess that Jesus is LORD, that is God come in the flesh?
2. Do you confess that Christ was crucified, according to the Scriptures?
3. Do you confess that Christ was risen from the dead, according to the Scriptures?
4. Do you confess that the Scriptures of the Old and New Testaments are the infallible, inerrant, Word of God? That they are God-breathed with no mixture or adulteration of human thought and wisdom?