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Middle School Students Advised to Throw Canned Food at Active Shooters

poncho

poncho

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Middle school students in Alabama are being advised to stash canned food throughout their classrooms to be used as weapons against possible armed intruders.

W.F. Burns Middle School Principal Priscilla Holley, who sent a letter home to parents last week, announced the new safety procedure after discussing the issue with law enforcement.

Speaking with WHNT 19, Holley said the policy was modeled after a survival tactic know as ALICE, an acronym for Alert, Lockdown, Inform, Counter and Evacuate.

“As a result of school shootings throughout the United States and discussing with law enforcement on the best procedure to follow to keep our students safe, we are enhancing our procedure for intruders,” Holley stated.

According to the letter, students are encouraged to empower themselves by bringing an 8 oz. canned food item from home.

Continue . . . http://www.prisonplanet.com/middle-school-students-advised-to-throw-canned-food-at-active-shooters.html
 
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Revmitchell

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Only liberals would think of something so utterly stupid.
 
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Gina B

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I like it. The kids can't carry guns, nor would we want them to, but this adds a layer of making them feel safe and like they can take part in their own safety.

People do all kinds of things for safety. Yeah you can arm a teacher - then what? Maybe the teacher can't get a clear shot or is incapacitated. There's nothing wrong with creative ideas like this. Do none of you keep a can of aqua net and a lighter in the door of your car?
 
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Alcott

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A perhaps better idea.... take on 'old' type of can cutter that cuts in triangular shape for pouring, take a big can, such as for grape fruit juice, and cut those triangles all the way around it. Then use a can opener to cut the lid completely off, and there you have a piece of metal with many sharp points for throwing as a weapon.
 
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Gina B

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Yes, it may be relatively false hope, but having 30 kids all throwing heavy cans at someone who is trying to kill them is better than zero hope.
I'd want any percentage of extra hope possible to be available.
There's a reason some people carry penny socks. They're heavy and can disable someone. Same concept.
I read on one news report that parents are "furious" about the idea of the cans. People get furious over the oddest things. Maybe that's a lot of why kids are unable to handle their emotions. If canned green beans are cause for fury, just imagine when a worse problem comes along. Like broccoli, perhaps.
 
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A guy comes in with a gun to a school - he already is not going in there to sing and dance for the kids. Now you get kids throwing cans of beanie weenies at him and what does he do? Stop the annoyance. Additionally, what happens when the kid has thrown his can of peas and now he is without a weapon?
 
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Gina B

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He/she is already annoyed. That's why they're there with a gun. It wouldn't be one kid throwing, it would be all.
My toe broke from dropping a can of chili. Just one, one time.
And next, with nothing? Same thing you would have done without the beenie weenies, unless it worked. In that case, you break out a can opener and enjoy some delicious beenie weenies.
 
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poncho said:
Middle school students in Alabama are being advised to stash canned food throughout their classrooms to be used as weapons against possible armed intruders.

W.F. Burns Middle School Principal Priscilla Holley, who sent a letter home to parents last week, announced the new safety procedure after discussing the issue with law enforcement.

Speaking with WHNT 19, Holley said the policy was modeled after a survival tactic know as ALICE, an acronym for Alert, Lockdown, Inform, Counter and Evacuate.

“As a result of school shootings throughout the United States and discussing with law enforcement on the best procedure to follow to keep our students safe, we are enhancing our procedure for intruders,” Holley stated.

According to the letter, students are encouraged to empower themselves by bringing an 8 oz. canned food item from home.

Continue . . . http://www.prisonplanet.com/middle-school-students-advised-to-throw-canned-food-at-active-shooters.html
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This may be the most embarrassing thing to come out of Alabama since The Captain and Tennille.
 
Sapper Woody

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I thought it stupid at first. But now I like it. 25 - 30 middle schoolers throwing an 8oz can at someone will do damage, possibly even incapacitate a grown person.



I mean, what's he going to do if it doesn't work? Shoot them? He was going to do that anyway.
 
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Sapper Woody said:
I thought it stupid at first. But now I like it. 25 - 30 middle schoolers throwing an 8oz can at someone will do damage, possibly even incapacitate a grown person.
I mean, what's he going to do if it doesn't work? Shoot them? He was going to do that anyway.
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1) how many classes have 25-30 students. I am not up with the latest teachers union - but I thought that they were demanding smaller classes.

2) Even if it were 25 - A) how many would be "sissy" throws - B) how many would be synchronized?

3) Such action may even agonized the intruder even more.

I retained my earlier statement: Sounds like a false sense of security to me.

Train and arm the teachers.
 
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Salty said:
1) how many classes have 25-30 students. I am not up with the latest teachers union - but I thought that they were demanding smaller classes.
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They are not demanding a smaller class size, but a smaller student to teacher ratio. The average class size across the nation varies from 17.6 all the way up through 29.0 in departmentalized secondary schools, depending on the state(1).

2) Even if it were 25 - A) how many would be "sissy" throws
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Honestly, it doesn't matter how many are "sissy" throws. If my 6 year old chucks a can of peas at me and it hits me, it's going to hurt. Much more when she's 10-12.
- B) how many would be synchronized?
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Some would argue that it's better if they're staggered, giving more time for the students to react, such as run, hide, get away, etc. Either way, you have 17-29 (actually from less to more, because those are averages) cans coming at you. All it takes is one good shot. Using the data (2), we see that there are an equal number of boys and girls enrolled in secondary education. So, imagine 8 boys, aged 11-14 (3) and 8 girls of the same age throwing a can of corn or peas at you as hard as they could, which is about 35mph to 75mph (4) for the boys, if we drop about 10% of a pitcher's speed in that age, and even if we take half that for girls, we're looking at 17mph to 33mph.

Rampage Jackson, the UFC fighter, can hit at 1800 psi (5), while the average boxer is around 800-1000 psi. The fastest strike measured by National Geographic on its fight science was ~40mph. So, basically what I am getting at is that the average middle school boy throwing a can of peas hits harder than a trained fighter. A lot harder. 8 - 15 of those, and then another 8 - 15 of a lesser version of that from the females. You're looking at a bruised dude.

Now, how many school shootings are being perpetrated by adults? Based on the data (6), the average shooter is of the age of the class he shoots. So now we're talking about an 11 - 14 year old boy getting hit by 17 - 29 knockout punches. Even with an accuracy of 50%, we're still talking about 8-15 knockout punches. Then, even if half the students freeze up, we're talking 4 - 7 knockout punches. How many 14 year olds can withstand that?

3) Such action may even agonized the intruder even more.
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It's my opinion that if someone starts shooting up a school, they're already as antagonized as they are going to be. For the students to even be ready to throw the cans means that they've already heard shots. At that point, if the gunman breaks into your classroom (since presumably it will already be locked once the shots sound), he does so with the intent to kill.

I retained my earlier statement: Sounds like a false sense of security to me.
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Even if that was the only thing it accomplished, it would still be worth it. Better a false sense of security than a sense of hopelessness should the situation arise.

Train and arm the teachers.
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After all I've said, I do agree that this would be the best course. But I am on board with what they are doing out there; trying to make the best of situation.

Sources:
(1) - http://nces.ed.gov/surveys/sass/tables/sass0708_2009324_t1s_08.asp
(2) - http://data.worldbank.org/indicator/SE.ENR.SECO.FM.ZS
(3) - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Middle_school
(4) - http://www.thecompletepitcher.com/pitching_speeds.htm
(5) - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jzYMX_3K_xE
(6) - https://s3.amazonaws.com/s3.mayorsagainstillegalguns.org/images/SchoolShootingsReport.pdf
 
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Alcott

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Replacing stoning with canning? There's so much wordplay with this I don't want to take away anyone's imagination :laugh:.
 
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