Military ID for Vets?

[Salty]

Sapper Woody brought up an interesting point:
" I know a while back there was discussion for having honorably discharged vets able to get an ID that would allow them access to military installations and shopping on post."

But!!!
1. Would a Vet be subject to the UCMJ - suppose he did something - and the command determined that he should no longer have access to govt facilities?
2. Should said Vet be considered in the IRR until age 60 - then the R-IRR?
3. Should a Vet who is entitled to VA hospital privileges be authorized to on base medical facilities?
4. Would dependents of said Vet be authorized an ID Card
5. Other considerations?

 

[HankD]

Sapper Woody brought up an interesting point:
" I know a while back there was discussion for having honorably discharged vets able to get an ID that would allow them access to military installations and shopping on post."

But!!!
1. Would a Vet be subject to the UCMJ - suppose he did something - and the command determined that he should no longer have access to govt facilities?
2. Should said Vet be considered in the IRR until age 60 - then the R-IRR?
3. Should a Vet who is entitled to VA hospital privileges be authorized to on base medical facilities?
4. Would dependents of said Vet be authorized an ID Card
5. Other considerations?

Have to think on this.

HankD

 

[Rob_BW]

There's no way to vet people once they've been discharged, honorably or otherwise.

Makes me think back to a few months ago, a company (that does quite a bit of business with the military) was shipping some freight to us. And used a felon for the driver. Of course he pops up on a check at the gate, I have to arrange for some MPs to escort him to our loading dock. It was all a pain in the rear.

So while a card indicating privileges is fine, a card for access brings a lot of other headaches.

 

[Salty]

There's no way to vet people once they've been discharged, honorably or otherwise.

Thus the reason for being in the IRR,& being subject to the UCMJ

 

[Rob_BW]

Thus the reason for being in the IRR,& being subject to the UCMJ

But that still doesn't vet anyone. How do we know that after leaving the .mil they haven't done any of the below:

UNESCORTED ACCESS DENIAL CRITERIA

A check of the National Crime Information Center Interstate Identification Index (NCIC III) is the Army's baseline background check for entrance onto Army installations. The Senior Commander will, in the absence of an approved waiver, deny unescorted access based on the results of the NCIC III background check, when the results contain credible derogatory information. Such derogatory information includes but is not limited to the following:

• individual has criminal arrest information that indicates they may present a threat to good order, discipline, or health and safety on the installation
  
  
• if unable to verify an individual's claimed identity based on reasonable belief that fraudulent information was submitted in an attempt to hide identity to gain access
  
  
• individual has a current arrest warrant, regardless of the offense or violation
  
  
• individual is currently barred from entry or access to any federal installation or facility
  
  
• individual was convicted of any crime encompassing sexual assault, armed robbery, rape, child molestation, production or possession of child pornography, trafficing in humans, drug possession with the intent to sell or drug distribution
  
  
• individual has a US conviction for espionage, sabotage, treason, terrorism or murder
  
  
• individual is a registered sex offender
  
  
• individual has a felony conviction within the past 10 years, regardless of offense or violation
  
  
• individual was convicted of a felony firearms or explosives violation
  
  
• individual has engaged in acts or activities designed to overthrow the US Government by force
  
  
• individual is identified in the Terrorist Screening Database as known to be or suspected of being a terrorist or belonging to an organization with known links to terrorism or support of terrorist activity
  

 

[Salty]

I guess you haven't heard of computers......

 

[Sapper Woody]

But that still doesn't vet anyone. How do we know that after leaving the .mil they haven't done any of the below:

UNESCORTED ACCESS DENIAL CRITERIA

A check of the National Crime Information Center Interstate Identification Index (NCIC III) is the Army's baseline background check for entrance onto Army installations. The Senior Commander will, in the absence of an approved waiver, deny unescorted access based on the results of the NCIC III background check, when the results contain credible derogatory information. Such derogatory information includes but is not limited to the following:

• individual has criminal arrest information that indicates they may present a threat to good order, discipline, or health and safety on the installation
  
  
• if unable to verify an individual's claimed identity based on reasonable belief that fraudulent information was submitted in an attempt to hide identity to gain access
  
  
• individual has a current arrest warrant, regardless of the offense or violation
  
  
• individual is currently barred from entry or access to any federal installation or facility
  
  
• individual was convicted of any crime encompassing sexual assault, armed robbery, rape, child molestation, production or possession of child pornography, trafficing in humans, drug possession with the intent to sell or drug distribution
  
  
• individual has a US conviction for espionage, sabotage, treason, terrorism or murder
  
  
• individual is a registered sex offender
  
  
• individual has a felony conviction within the past 10 years, regardless of offense or violation
  
  
• individual was convicted of a felony firearms or explosives violation
  
  
• individual has engaged in acts or activities designed to overthrow the US Government by force
  
  
• individual is identified in the Terrorist Screening Database as known to be or suspected of being a terrorist or belonging to an organization with known links to terrorism or support of terrorist activity
  

To that, I would say have the access be good for three years, after which they have to reapply. And if something like that is on their record, they get denied.

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[Bro. James]

Shopping in the exchanges and commissaries is more expensive than Sam's, Walmart, Costco, Amazon and Ali Baba, even if one lives near the installation. Not sure many veterans would be interested in access to military installations--golf, theater, pools, hobby shops--maybe.

The money would be better spent on PTSD which is rampant.

Computers would be a cheaper way to control the security aspects. However the VA computer system seldom works when I need it--.gov can be a nightmare.

The wonders of bureaucracy. We are in the throes of governments making promises they cannot keep. Big business is the same way. It is time to pay the piper and most everyone is drowning in red ink.

Even so, come, Lord Jesus.

Bro. James

 

[Sapper Woody]

Shopping in the exchanges and commissaries is more expensive than Sam's, Walmart, Costco, Amazon and Ali Baba, even if one lives near the installation. Not sure many veterans would be interested in access to military installations--golf, theater, pools, hobby shops--maybe.

Not sure how you came to this conclusion. We live roughly 45 minutes from our nearest post. And my wife drives that to save money shopping at the commissary rather than shopping at our local Walmart and Kroger's.

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[Bro. James]

Recent example: Men's shirt: retail tag, $125, NEX price: $90. Sam's sells real nice men's shirts for under $30. Most of this kind of stuff is made in Sri Lanka sweatshops by slave labor.

Good, better and best is not available in exchanges and commissaries--not many generic products available.

Lookout for Amazon.com.

You working night shift, Sapper? I guess I am still programmed for sentry duty.

Bro. James

 

[Sapper Woody]

Recent example: Men's shirt: retail tag, $125, NEX price: $90. Sam's sells real nice men's shirts for under $30. Most of this kind of stuff is made in Sri Lanka sweatshops by slave labor.

Good, better and best is not available in exchanges and commissaries--not many generic products available.

Lookout for Amazon.com.

You working night shift, Sapper? I guess I am still programmed for sentry duty.

Bro. James

Oh yeah. Some items you're definitely better off shipping elsewhere. If you don't care about brand, then the PX is not for you when it comes to clothing.

But what we've find is that the same brands and items will be cheaper at the PX and commissary than at the usual retail stores.

And no, I'm not working the night shift. I just couldn't sleep.

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[JonC]

Thus the reason for being in the IRR,& being subject to the UCMJ

Another issue is that members of the IRR are not typically subject to UCMJ. National Guard members (including active duty title 32 members) are also not under UCMJ (unless/until they fall under title 10). They are under the state's code of military justice.

(I spent half my career in the Army, half on AGR with the NG. We ran into some of these issues when dealing with people who are AWOL. If they are awaiting training then we could have them arrested under state code. If they are at training (on title 32 orders) they would be dropped from the rolls, we would discharge them, and when found they would be subject to UCMJ and retained on federal duty for punishment).

 

[Adonia]

I have no desire to go back on some military post or base somewhere. I served my country gladly and honorably, but am happy to be a civilian and I can buy anything I want right here outside the gates. Now, if they would let me fly Space Available on military aircraft I might change my tune.

 

[JonC]

Recent example: Men's shirt: retail tag, $125, NEX price: $90. Sam's sells real nice men's shirts for under $30. Most of this kind of stuff is made in Sri Lanka sweatshops by slave labor.

Good, better and best is not available in exchanges and commissaries--not many generic products available.

Lookout for Amazon.com.

You working night shift, Sapper? I guess I am still programmed for sentry duty.

Bro. James

The biggest savings we have realized is on groceries. We live 1 1/2 hours away, so we don't save much in the end (we make it a day and shop on the way back). In terms of the PX, it is iffy. I've seen some things less expensive, but often only because we save on the tax. Other things have been higher (sometimes significantly so).

 

[Salty]

I have no desire to go back on some military post or base somewhere. I served my country gladly and honorably, but am happy to be a civilian and I can buy anything I want right here outside the gates..

I dont recall stating that you would be required to shop in the PX

Now, if they would let me fly Space Available on military aircraft I might change my tune.

Good point - and I assume we would be the last priority.

 

[HankD]

I have no desire to go back on some military post or base somewhere. I served my country gladly and honorably, but am happy to be a civilian and I can buy anything I want right here outside the gates. Now, if they would let me fly Space Available on military aircraft I might change my tune.

Hey, I would but I'm too old
I would want a commission though after all my education.

But like you I wouldn't want to live on base though - UGH!

HankD

 

[JonC]

Good point - and I assume we would be the last priority.

Has anyone here used Space A since retiring?

 

[Adonia]

Has anyone here used Space A since retiring?

Now Space A would be the way to go as retired military, I mean really you could travel all over the world for free. I did a lot of that when I was active duty - it was a great way to travel.

 

[Don]

Just my two cents -- y'all are describing a card similar to the blue retirees' card. Allows access to the base, commissary, Exchange, and Space A travel.

So provide a card of different color with the same privileges.

Be careful about retiree Space A; you're a Category 6, and everyone else has priority over you. You can get stuck somewhere for days, even weeks.