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Mission Accomplished

KenH

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MISSION ACCOMPLISHED

The prevailing religious thought in our day is that Christ accomplished nothing more by his death, but an avenue of opportunity to be saved, if only the sinner, by faith, would respond to the "wooing" of the Holy Spirit.

The problem with this thinking is that sinners are dead in trespasses and sins (Ephesians 2:1, Colossians 2:13) and there is none righteous and none that seek after God (Romans 3:10-12). A dead man cannot respond to anything and a spiritually dead man certainly cannot respond to anything spiritual.

Week after week the call thunders from millions of pulpits across this nation to surrender your life to God and "make" Jesus your Lord. How can a dead man who the Bible declares, is not seeking after God, do this? Lazarus is a perfect picture of the sinners state. He was four days dead and his sister said " he stinketh" ( John 11:39). The dry bones of Ezekiel 37 show the condition of man in his best state before his God.

If God does not call dead sinners to life, they will simply never live. To say that God did his part, Jesus did his part and now you must do your part, is a complete and utter denial of everything scripture declares. Christ actually and absolutely saves His people from their sins (Matthew 1:21). If Christ died for everyone who ever lived, then when this christ is put in the balance, he is by all measures an utter and dismal failure.

Christ represented a people at the cross. He was their Substitute, taking their just penalty for sin. He was and is the totality of their Righteousness, having fulfilled every jot and tittle of God's law in His obedience unto death. He ever lives as their Surety and as such, will not fail to present them holy, unspotted and perfect before His throne clothed in his righteousness alone (2 Corinthians 5:21). He actually accomplished salvation on their behalf that meets every requirement of God's strict law and justice, so that God views them as eternally perfect and holy, since they are viewed IN CHRIST. This is great, good news! This is the heart of the Gospel.

It is not good news to accept an offer and from that point forward, hope you are doing enough to please your God.

Ask your pastor what Christ actually accomplished on the cross. If he doesn't tell you that He fully and completely saved his people from their sins, charging the very Righteousness of Christ to their account, so that God, Himself cannot find a flaw in them, run, don't walk away from that place and don't look back.

Christ fully accomplished the salvation of his elect and the Gospel, as it declares this blessed truth, is good news indeed!

This is all my hope and peace
Nothing but the blood of Jesus
This is all my righteousness
Nothing but the blood of Jesus

- by Kenny Dyess(a good friend of mine) via his Facebook page
 
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KenH

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As another hymn says,

When He shall come with trumpet sound,
O may I then in Him be found,
Dressed in His righteousness alone,
Faultless to stand before the throne.
 

Van

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Don't you just love it when a strawman argument is hoisted upon the naive.

Here we have the bogus claim Christ's death only provides the opportunity for salvation, and denial that His death provides salvation for every individual given to Him. I kid you not...

Next, the bogus claim the lost cannot seek God at any time. However Matthew 23:13 teaches lost people were seeking God in that they were in the process of actually entering the kingdom.
 

KenH

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Here we have the bogus claim Christ's death only provides the opportunity for salvation, and denial that His death provides salvation for every individual given to Him.

The author of the OP is affirming particular, effectual redemption for all of God's elect.
 

Van

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The author of the OP is affirming particular, effectual redemption for all of God's elect.
Yes and that is false doctrine.

Here we have the bogus claim Christ's death only provides the opportunity for salvation, and denial that His death provides salvation for every individual given to Him. I kid you not...

Next, the bogus claim the lost cannot seek God at any time. However Matthew 23:13 teaches lost people were seeking God in that they were in the process of actually entering the kingdom.
 

Marooncat79

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Don't you just love it when a strawman argument is hoisted upon the naive.

Here we have the bogus claim Christ's death only provides the opportunity for salvation, and denial that His death provides salvation for every individual given to Him. I kid you not...

Next, the bogus claim the lost cannot seek God at any time. However Matthew 23:13 teaches lost people were seeking God in that they were in the process of actually entering the kingdom.


No one can truly seek God unless the Holy Spirit is drawing him (literally dragging according to John 6)
 

Silverhair

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No one can truly seek God unless the Holy Spirit is drawing him (literally dragging according to John 6)

Even a little bit of understanding of Greek would save you from making the statement that you did.
Helkúō G1670 is used by Jesus of the drawing of souls unto Him (Joh_6:44; Joh_12:32, to draw or induce to come).
The Complete Word Study Dictionary by Spiros Zodhiates {Calvinist Greek scholar}

Remember context, it will save you a lot of embarrassment.

This verse {Joh 6:44 No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him; and I will raise him up at the last day.} does not say anywhere that all who are drawn must come! Instead it is saying that all who come must have been drawn!

But you missed the qualifier in the next verse.
John 6:45
... THEY SHALL ALL BE TAUGHT BY GOD.'
Therefore everyone who has heard and learned from the Father comes to Me.

While all may hear it is only those that also learn who will come to Christ Jesus. So context once again shows that Calvinism is wrong.
 

Marooncat79

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Instead it is saying that all who come must have been drawn!

Correct. Like water from a well

sorry I was not clear enough
 

Van

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No one can truly seek God unless the Holy Spirit is drawing him (literally dragging according to John 6)
Yet another false doctrine hoisted again by those who nullify scripture after scripture. They say those seeking God were not "truly" seeking God, rewriting verse after verse. But they can not evade Matthew 23:13, where the people were "entering" the kingdom, thus they were truly seeking God. Total Spiritual Inability is a hoax. Limited Spiritual ability is Biblical doctrine.
 

Revmitchell

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MISSION ACCOMPLISHED

The prevailing religious thought in our day is that Christ accomplished nothing more by his death, but an avenue of opportunity to be saved, if only the sinner, by faith, would respond to the "wooing" of the Holy Spirit.

the Bible does not say there is a wooing of the Holy Spirit. It does say that there is power in the word of God (Hebrews 4:12) and that the gospel is the power unto salvation (Romans 1:16).

The problem with this thinking is that sinners are dead in trespasses and sins (Ephesians 2:1, Colossians 2:13) and there is none righteous and none that seek after God (Romans 3:10-12). A dead man cannot respond to anything and a spiritually dead man certainly cannot respond to anything spiritual.

the Bible says that we are dead in trespasses and sins but this question assumes a false definition of what that is. A dead man that is dead like lazerus cannot respond to the gospel. Neither can a dead man (like Lazerus) reject the gospel. However, a dead man (meaning separated from God) can respond to the gospel of which God said is the power to salvation (Romans 10:9-17; romans 1:16; Hebrews 4:12)
 

KenH

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However, a dead man (meaning separated from God) can respond to the gospel

Nope. One must be regenerated before one can respond.

"The sinful nature of man is the mind's strong disposition toward evil (Colossians 1:21; Romans 8:5-7). REGENERATION is a work of God in which he changes this evil disposition into one that delights in the laws and precepts of God (Ezekiel 11:19-20, 36:26-27), and this results in what amounts to a spiritual resurrection. Regeneration is a drastic and permanent transformation at the deepest level of one's personality and intellect, which we may call a RADICAL RECONSTRUCTION(It is "radical" in the sense that it affects the very root of a person's personality). The person's most basic commitments are turned to God, away from the abominable objects and principles that he once served. This change in his first principle of thought and conduct generates a rippling effect that transforms the entire spectrum of his worldview and lifestyle. Regeneration, or being "born again," occurs in conjunction with God's effectual call toward his chosen ones (1 Peter 1:23; James 1:18), and enables them to respond in faith and repentance toward Christ. This means that regeneration precedes faith; that is, a person is not born again by faith, but he is enabled to believe because God has first regenerated him. Faith is not the precondition of regeneration; rather, regeneration is the precondition of faith. The reason some Christians think that regeneration occurs by faith is because they have confused regeneration with "salvation" in general, and with "justification" in particular. When the word "salvation" is applied to the sinner, it is a general term that implies a number of things, such as the items discussed in this chapter. In justification God confers upon the elect the righteousness merited by Christ. ...

To review, God has chosen a number of individuals to receive salvation. Christ came to this earth and paid the price of sin for these chosen ones. Each of the elect is summoned to believe the gospel at specific times appointed by God. However, since the elect are born sinners, there is present within them a strong disposition toward evil, which renders them unable and unwilling to respond. Therefore, God regenerates the elect sinners as he summons them, and places in each of them a new nature that is disposed toward God and righteousness. Thus regeneration is a MONERGISTIC work – it is a work of God that produces its effects without any cooperation from the one being saved."

- from Vincent Cheung's Systematic Theology
 
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