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Mitt Romney Started Bain Capital With Money From Families Tied To Death Squads

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Crabtownboy

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Wow and WOW. I thought the big gun stuff would start coming out in September. If this is small enough for August I wonder what is waiting in the wings for September and October?


Romney could also have thanked investors from two other wealthy and powerful Central American clans -- the de Sola and Salaverria families, who the Los Angeles Times and Boston Globe have reported were founding investors in Bain Capital.

While they were on the lookout for investments in the United States, members of some of these prominent families -- including the Salaverria, Poma, de Sola and Dueñas clans -- were also at the time financing, either directly or through political parties, death squads in El Salvador. The ruling classes were deploying the death squads to beat back left-wing guerrillas and reformers during El Salvador's civil war.

The death squads committed atrocities on such a mass scale for so small a country that their killing spree sparked international condemnation. From 1979 to 1992, some 75,000 people were killed in the Salvadoran civil war, according to the United Nations. In 1982, two years before Romney began raising money from the oligarchs, El Salvador's independent Human Rights Commission reported that, of the 35,000 civilians killed, "most" died at the hands of death squads. A United Nations truth commission concluded in 1993 that 85 percent of the acts of violence were perpetrated by the right, while the left-wing Farabundo Martí National Liberation Front, which was supported by the Cuban government, was responsible for 5 percent.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/...ds-bain_n_1710133.html?utm_hp_ref=mostpopular

http://thehill.com/blogs/global-aff...n-investors-ties-to-salvadoran-paramilitaries[/QUOTE]

http://www.post-gazette.com/stories...cy-gave-bain-capital-start-up-funding-645431/
 

Don

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Hey, remember Obama's association with Bill Ayers?

Ayers had previously been a roommate of Terry Robbins, a fellow militant who was killed in 1970 along with Ayers' girlfriend Oughton and one other member in the Greenwich Village townhouse explosion, while constructing anti-personnel bombs intended for a non-commissioned officer dance at Fort Dix, New Jersey. Ayers was living in Michigan at that time.

Later in 1969, Ayers participated in planting a bomb at a statue dedicated to police casualties in the 1886 Haymarket affair confrontation between labor supporters and the Chicago police.

Ayers participated in the Days of Rage riot in Chicago in October 1969, and in December was at the "War Council" meeting in Flint, Michigan. Two major decisions came out of the "War Council." The first was to immediately begin a violent, armed struggle (e.g., bombings and armed robberies) against the state without attempting to organize or mobilize a broad swath of the public.
 

Crabtownboy

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Hey, remember Obama's association with Bill Ayers?

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Nice try, but no gold medal. If Ayers had given Obama millions of dollars it might be different. What Ayers did in his young days pales in comparison to funding death squads. Surely you can do better than this weak reply.

The New York Times reported that Obama did not have a significant relationship with Ayers.[2] According to several sources, Ayers played no role in starting Obama's career, which was primarily launched when Deborah Leff, then president of the Joyce Foundation, suggested Obama be appointed as chairman of the six-member board that oversaw the distribution of grants in Chicago.[2]
In a November 2008 interview, Ayers said that he knew Obama only slightly: “I think my relationship with Obama was probably like that of thousands of others in Chicago and, like millions and millions of others, I wished I knew him better.”[21]


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_A...ntroversy#Interaction_between_Obama_and_Ayers

The evidence is strongly against your suggestion.
 

TCassidy

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Just like the Obama campaign took money from Saudi Arabia which also supported Al qaeda. Not to mention Ahmadinejad (Iran). You might want to check up on the name Khalid Al Mansour.

What problem do you have with Hispanics? They are not allowed to invest in profitable companies? Do you hate all Hispanics or just those with more money than you?
 

InTheLight

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I wonder--do you read the articles you cite? Salvadorans in exile in Miami invested in Bain Capital. It turns out that some of their relatives were allegedly part of the death squads, BUT NOT THE INVESTORS THEMSELVES.


From one of your links:

At the time, U.S. officials were publicly accusing some Salvadoran exiles in Miami of funding right-wing death squads in El Salvador. Some family members of the first Bain Capital investors were later linked to groups responsible for killings, although no evidence indicates that those relatives invested in Bain or benefited from it.


From another of the links:

Family members of some of those early investors allegedly had ties to right-wing paramilitaries involved in death squads in the country's brutal civil war, although the paper found no evidence that the investors themselves had ties to paramilitaries.
 

Crabtownboy

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I wonder--do you read the articles you cite? Salvadorans in exile in Miami invested in Bain Capital. It turns out that some of their relatives were allegedly part of the death squads, BUT NOT THE INVESTORS THEMSELVES.

Of course the rich within the country and outside the country supported the death squads ... they wanted their wealth protected.


From one of your links:

At the time, U.S. officials were publicly accusing some Salvadoran exiles in Miami of funding right-wing death squads in El Salvador. Some family members of the first Bain Capital investors were later linked to groups responsible for killings, although no evidence indicates that those relatives invested in Bain or benefited from it.


From another of the links:

Family members of some of those early investors allegedly had ties to right-wing paramilitaries involved in death squads in the country's brutal civil war, although the paper found no evidence that the investors themselves had ties to paramilitaries.

So they funneled money through their relatives in Miami. Still makes it true about money coming from families with ties to death squads. Your quotes only help enforce that this is true.
 

InTheLight

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Of course the rich within the country and outside the country supported the
death squads ... they wanted their wealth protected.

The facts are that their land had been seized and they were moving their wealth out of El Salvador:

The Bain investors — some of whom had their plantations seized and family members targeted — were waiting out the war in Miami.

"Many of them were trying to move their money elsewhere," said Jeffery M. Paige, a University of Michigan professor who wrote a book about the Salvadoran ruling class. "It was a difficult transition, and of course their investment outlets were limited."


http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-bain-creation-20120719,0,5698366,full.story


So they funneled money through their relatives in Miami. Still makes it true about money coming from families with ties to death squads. Your quotes only help enforce that this is true.

Please, please, READ THE ARTICLES with an open mind:

Among the Bain investors were Francisco R.R. de Sola and his cousin Herbert Arturo de Sola, whose brother Orlando de Sola was suspected by State Department officials and the CIA of backing the right-wing death squads, according to now-declassified documents.

Orlando de Sola, who has denied supporting the death squads, is now serving a four-year prison term for unrelated fraud charges. In an interview at the prison in Metapan, El Salvador, he said he did not benefit from the family investment in Bain Capital. Before Bain, the family's holdings were based in El Salvador, he said. "I would say their relationship with Bain Capital was a step to diversify into foreign investments. But I insist to you, I was not part of it."


http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-bain-creation-20120719,0,5698366,full.story

So we see:

1. The wealthy landowners in El Salvador took their money with them, contrary to your assertion that they were trying to protect their wealth in El Salvador.

2. It was relatives of the investors that allegedly helped death squads, not the investors themselves.

3. An alleged death squad member says he got no investment money from his investor relatives living in Miami.

4. Newsweek reported in 1994 that Sen. Edward Kennedy (D-Mass.) had hired a Washington law firm to investigate the same claims when Romney ran against him, but came up short.

http://thehill.com/blogs/global-aff...n-investors-ties-to-salvadoran-paramilitaries
http://www.thedailybeast.com/newsweek/1994/09/04/damage-patrol-snooping-for-pols.html
 
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Don

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Nice try, but no gold medal. If Ayers had given Obama millions of dollars it might be different. What Ayers did in his young days pales in comparison to funding death squads. Surely you can do better than this weak reply.



The evidence is strongly against your suggestion.
BUT--but--but I thought evidence wasn't necessary? Isn't that what Harry Reid -- and you -- basically said about the accusations regarding Romney not paying taxes?
 

Crabtownboy

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BUT--but--but I thought evidence wasn't necessary? Isn't that what Harry Reid -- and you -- basically said about the accusations regarding Romney not paying taxes?

Please sir, surely you realize the poor use of logic concerning your comment.

Again, all Romney has to do is provide his returns and show that Reid was in error and this his 'source' was not making an accurate statement.

 

Mexdeaf

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How about we talk about Obama's record?

It sounds like this:

"It's Bush's fault, it's Bush's fault, it's Bush's fault, it's Bush's fault, it's Bush's fault, it's Bush's fault, it's Bush's fault, it's Bush's fault, it's Bush's fault,..."
 

Crabtownboy

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How about we talk about Obama's record?

It sounds like this:

"It's Bush's fault, it's Bush's fault, it's Bush's fault, it's Bush's fault, it's Bush's fault, it's Bush's fault, it's Bush's fault, it's Bush's fault, it's Bush's fault,..."

Well, the thread is not about Bush and saying it is Bush's fault is not quite the same as receiving funding from those who funded death squads.
 

NaasPreacher (C4K)

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Why don't you ask your new buddy to address ITL's second post ?

Sorry, I thought we all were supposed to have something of a 'friendship' here.

The question stands - why does the main tactic to answering criticism of Governor Romney so often end up being an attack on the president?

Surely - if there is a response to the criticism it ought to defend the governor, not divert the attack to the president.
 

Bro. Curtis

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Off topic, and inane. Let's stick with the O/P, which has been destroyed by InTheLight. C.T.Boy should address it, instead of the two of you pretending it's not there.
 

NaasPreacher (C4K)

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Let's stick with the O/P, which has been destroyed by InTheLight. C.T.Boy should address it,

Agreed - and lets leave the president out of it, shall we?

My point was the 3 of the first 10 posts talked about the president - which as nothing to do with the topic.
 
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Bro. Curtis

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So what ? Why gripe about off-topic posts, when C.T.Boy refuses to address the on-topic ones ?
 

carpro

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Sorry, I thought we all were supposed to have something of a 'friendship' here.

The question stands - why does the main tactic to answering criticism of Governor Romney so often end up being an attack on the president?

Surely - if there is a response to the criticism it ought to defend the governor, not divert the attack to the president.

Off topic. If you like that topic, I'm sure CTB would be glad to start one for you.

I recommend to the moderator this piece of trash thread be closed.
 
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