Mitt Romney's five biggest liabilities as GOP nominee

[InTheLight]

So why does the Church think they aren't supposed to use Godliness to influence the state?

Who said they shouldn't? Strawman.

What is more damaging to christianity...mormonism or islam?

Neither.

I haven't seen Mormons strap bombs to their bodies and walk into a building and blow it up. Haven't seen Mormons fly airplanes into skyscrapers. Or call for the annihilation of Israel. Or start civil wars. Drive trucks laden with bombs into embassies. Kidnap people. Pilot a boat full of bombs into a U.S. Naval ship. Plant vehicles with bombs in them in the parking ramp of the WTC. Throw handicapped Jews off the deck of cruise ships. Behead news reporters.

That's why I keep saying this is absolutely unbelievable how Christians can say they follow Christ and endorse someone who does not.

We're not endorsing their religious views. We are accepting their policy views.

We take a Biblical stance against candidates who are pro-commit homosexual sex acts.

Romney supports DOMA and believes marriage should be between a man and a woman.

We take a Biblical stance against candidates who are pro-abortion.

Romney has said the first executive order he would issue once he became President would be to rescind funding for overseas abortions.

Why aren't we taking a Biblical stance against a candidate who is pro-worship a false god?

Because it's not a political issue. Besides the constitution guarantees freedom of religion.

we are supposed to keep Christ first above everything else. But it doesn't appear that the worship of a god who is not Jesus Christ quite registers up there with abortion and homosexuality when it becomes an issue of who we want in office.

Yep, because no one can know for sure what someone believes in their heart, but we can see actions they take and hold them accountable for political promises they make.

Yes, it's time for Jesus Christ to come on back and put an end to this when the very ones who are supposed to be witnessing for Him are doing the devil's work by witnessing for that which is against Him.

Taking a side on political issues for a candidate that opposes abortion and gay marriage is not doing the devil's work.

I honestly cannot see how folks don't think it won't affect their witness by supporting someone who is against Christ.

I can hear the loud angry questions now: HOW CAN YOU, AS A CHRISTIAN SUPPORT A CANDIDATE THAT IS PRO-LIFE AND IS AGAINST GAY MARRIAGE? THAT'S RUINING YOUR WITNESS!"

Seriously, though, if someone were to ask how a Christian could vote for a Mormon that is a great opportunity to witness.

You're thinking too much about THIS world that is not supposed to be your home. If my focus is Christ FIRST and I choose to not vote for either candidate who is against Christ, then I'm voting for maintaining my witness for Christ FIRST so that I may remain useful for helping to expand HIS Kingdom, not the United States economy.

And not voting for Romney might as well be a vote for Obama, and we know Obama is for abortion and for gay rights.

If you're loving God with all that you are, you'll keep His commands.

Like this one:

And He said to them, “Render therefore to Caesar the things that are Caesar’s, and to God the things that are God’s.” Matt. 22:21

Setting politics and getting Obama out of office as foremost while supporting a man who worships a false god is IDOLATRY.

Nope. Idolatry is worshiping something as being equal to God.

Again. Christ is to be first and foremost in the life of the Christian. A candidate could have all the morals in the world, yet the fact that he worships a false god over Jesus Christ should disqualify him in the eyes of those who follow Christ.

So would you vote for a Jew?

As Christ is supposed to be the most important thing to the Christian, who a person is worshiping should be paramount above everything else.

Voting for someone is not the same thing as worshiping them.

 

[Zaac]

Who said they shouldn't? Strawman.

Oh gosh. This is another one of those "strawman, heiferdust, red herring" boards. :BangHead:

I haven't seen Mormons strap bombs to their bodies and walk into a building and blow it up. Haven't seen Mormons fly airplanes into skyscrapers. Or call for the annihilation of Israel. Or start civil wars. Drive trucks laden with bombs into embassies. Kidnap people. Pilot a boat full of bombs into a U.S. Naval ship. Plant vehicles with bombs in them in the parking ramp of the WTC. Throw handicapped Jews off the deck of cruise ships. Behead news reporters.

You asked what was more harmful to Christianity. What does whether or not someone commits terrorist acts has to do with Christianity? If you're asking which is most harmful to God's Kingdom, I say again neither because Christians are doing the work of the devil for them by supporting that which is against Christ.

We're not endorsing their religious views. We are accepting their policy views.

And as Obama has stated, their policy views are influenced by whatever "Faith" they follow. And it is spiritually dishonest for Christians to say we're accepting their policy views and not their religious views. If that were the case, Christians shouldn't have any problem with the policy views of a candidate who promotes pro-abortion or pro-gay marriage since we're separating the two.

Romney supports DOMA and believes marriage should be between a man and a woman.

And Romney supports the worship of a false god. Which one is more important?

Romney has said the first executive order he would issue once he became President would be to rescind funding for overseas abortions.

And Romney still worships a false god. Is rescinding abortion more important than presenting a picture of someone worshiping Jesus Christ over a false god? Is this worldly kingdom more important than God's Kingdom?

Because it's not a political issue. Besides the constitution guarantees freedom of religion.

So who he worships is not a political issue, but the immoral decisions that the pro-abortion and pro-gay agenda candidates make are political issues? You just gave a very clear picture of hypocrisy.

Yep, because no one can know for sure what someone believes in their heart, but we can see actions they take and hold them accountable for political promises they make.

The Greek word for that is baloney. He's a practicing Mormon. It doesn't take much to find out what he believes. He served over the Boston Stake for the Mormon Church. An elementary examination of the faith will show what he believes in his heart or else they would have kicked him out and never let him reach a position of leadership in the church.

And this "we can hold them accountable for political promises" with all of a sudden no care for the picture that they present of being against Christ is dumbfounding.

But this is what happens when people start placing their allegiance to this world and its politics before their allegiance to Christ.

Taking a side on political issues for a candidate that opposes abortion and gay marriage is not doing the devil's work.

Sure it is when you say those things are serious issues but don't have a problem with Romney's idolatry( worship of a false god).

I can hear the loud angry questions now: HOW CAN YOU, AS A CHRISTIAN SUPPORT A CANDIDATE THAT IS PRO-LIFE AND IS AGAINST GAY MARRIAGE? THAT'S RUINING YOUR WITNESS!"

Naah. That's the loud angry question you think they will ask. But the actual loud question that they are gonna ask is:

HOW CAN YOU, AS A CHRISTIAN , BE AGAINST A CANDIDATE THAT IS PRO-ABORTION AND IS FOR GAY MARRIAGE BUT JUSTIFY SUPPORTING A CANDIDATE WHO IS PRO-WORSHIP A FALSE GOD WHO IS NOT JESUS? THAT'S RUINING YOUR WITNESS!

Seriously, though, if someone were to ask how a Christian could vote for a Mormon that is a great opportunity to witness.

Do tell. I worship at the feet of Jesus Christ. How is supporting that which is against Christ a great opportunity to witness? There is no difference between what you're saying and what Obama says about his "faith" giving him the opportunity to treat others the way Jesus would want him to treat them by taking from the rich and giving to the poor.

And not voting for Romney might as well be a vote for Obama, and we know Obama is for abortion and for gay rights.

And we know Romney worships a false god. In the scope of witnessing for God's Kingdom, which is more damaging? Someone saying he is a Christian while worshiping a false god, or someone saying he is a Christian while endorsing abortion?

Like this one:

And He said to them, “Render therefore to Caesar the things that are Caesar’s, and to God the things that are God’s.” Matt. 22:21

Right, because it's politics of the world, God is okay with those who say they are following Him endorsing that which is against Him. Give me a break. That's just silly.:smilewinkgrin:

Nope. Idolatry is worshiping something as being equal to God.

Nope. Biblical idolatry is having a god before GOD. All you got to do is go right back to the Ten Commandments and read it.:thumbs:

So would you vote for a Jew?

If he were a Messianic Jew, sure.

Voting for someone is not the same thing as worshiping them.

You missed my point. I was referencing who the candidate is worshiping.

 

[webdog]

Oh gosh. This is another one of those "strawman, heiferdust, red herring" boards.

It is when they are erected. Stop doing it and it ceases to be one

 

[just-want-peace]

I remember many years ago, probably early to mid 50s, I heard a KJO preacher ranting about the usual. The comment that really struck me was along this line:

"There may be an i not dotted, but I doubt it; There may be a t not crossed, but I doubt it; There may be a period missing, but I doubt it; There may be a comma misplaced, but I doubt it----" and on & on & on.

Point being, that I think we have one of his descendents on this board now; just based on posts being made!:BangHead:

 

[InTheLight]

You asked what was more harmful to Christianity. What does whether or not someone commits terrorist acts has to do with Christianity?

When the targets are Christians it has a lot to do with harming Christianity.

If you're asking which is most harmful to God's Kingdom, I say again neither because Christians are doing the work of the devil for them by supporting that which is against Christ.

OK, Obama says he is a Christian. I should vote for him. Got it.

And as Obama has stated, their policy views are influenced by whatever "Faith" they follow. And it is spiritually dishonest for Christians to say we're accepting their policy views and not their religious views.

Policy views and religious views can be separated. And I wouldn't use Obama as an example of someone that speaks truth.

If that were the case, Christians shouldn't have any problem with the policy views of a candidate who promotes pro-abortion or pro-gay marriage since we're separating the two.

There's that strawman again!

And Romney still worships a false god. Is rescinding abortion more important than presenting a picture of someone worshiping Jesus Christ over a false god?

The President (or a candidate) is not advancing a religious belief, they are advancing political positions.

Is this worldly kingdom more important than God's Kingdom?

God's Kingdom is more important, but Presidents are not evangelists and are not seeking to convert people to their religious views. In the context of this thread, your question is a false choice.

So who he worships is not a political issue, but the immoral decisions that the pro-abortion and pro-gay agenda candidates make are political issues?

Who a candidate worships is not a political issue. The US Constitution has a religious freedom clause in it. Abortion and gay rights are open for legislation. Religious views are not.

Furthermore, Muslims are pro-life. Muslims are anti-gay rights. Obama says he's a Christian. He is pro-abortion and pro gay rights. Based on this we should all be voting for Obama. Your logic is silly.

You just gave a very clear picture of hypocrisy.

Only to a person (you) that cannot separate legislative actionable items from religious beliefs.

The Greek word for that is baloney. He's a practicing Mormon. It doesn't take much to find out what he believes. He served over the Boston Stake for the Mormon Church. An elementary examination of the faith will show what he believes in his heart or else they would have kicked him out and never let him reach a position of leadership in the church.

I had no idea that hypocrisy and false professions of faith were impossible in Mormonism! Fact is, Romney is a professing Mormon, just as Obama is a professing Christian. Only they know in their heart what they truly believe.

And this "we can hold them accountable for political promises" with all of a sudden no care for the picture that they present of being against Christ is dumbfounding.

That's because they cannot affect my faith in Christ. They can affect laws I have to live under.

But this is what happens when people start placing their allegiance to this world and its politics before their allegiance to Christ.

Darn strawman, shoo! Scat!

But the actual loud question that they are gonna ask is:

HOW CAN YOU, AS A CHRISTIAN , BE AGAINST A CANDIDATE THAT IS PRO-ABORTION AND IS FOR GAY MARRIAGE BUT JUSTIFY SUPPORTING A CANDIDATE WHO IS PRO-WORSHIP A FALSE GOD WHO IS NOT JESUS?

I'm not voting for the President to be my religious leader. I'm voting for him to implement the laws of the land.

Do tell. I worship at the feet of Jesus Christ. How is supporting that which is against Christ a great opportunity to witness?

Really? You can't see how a simple response like, "I'm voting for Romney because I think he will do the most good for Americans like me, but I have a big problem with his Mormonism, because Mormons aren't Christians." You don't see how that would cause follow up questions and a discussion?

And we know Romney worships a false god. In the scope of witnessing for God's Kingdom, which is more damaging? Someone saying he is a Christian while worshiping a false god, or someone saying he is a Christian while endorsing abortion?

As far as witnessing to people, it doesn't have any effect.

Right, because it's politics of the world, God is okay with those who say they are following Him endorsing that which is against Him.

The endorsement is of political policy positions, not individual religious beliefs. I hope I have made that clear, seeing as how I've said it numerous times now.

Nope. Biblical idolatry is having a god before GOD.

I happen to believe that the element of worship is needed for idolatry to happen. A subject for another thread.

If he were a Messianic Jew, sure.

OK, how about an atheist? They have no belief in God, Allah, Jesus, Buddah, nobody. If an atheist's political stances lined up with yours would you vote for he/she?

 

[Zaac]

When the targets are Christians it has a lot to do with harming Christianity.

So Muslim terrorists has to do with Christians but Christians supporting a man who worships a false god does not?

OK, Obama says he is a Christian. I should vote for him. Got it.

I don't know where you got that from. It certainly wasn't from anything that I said. Obama is about as anti-Christ as they come and should not be supported anymore than Christians should be supporting a man who worships a false god.:thumbs:

Policy views and religious views can be separated. And I wouldn't use Obama as an example of someone that speaks truth.

Now who said they couldn't be separated? This whole policy view vs religious view is the real strawman.

And if they can be separated, there is no reason for evangelicals to say they won't vote for a candidate because he's pro-abortion or pro-same-sex marriage.

There's that strawman again!

Amazing that the strawman pops up every time hypocrisy is exampled.

The President (or a candidate) is not advancing a religious belief, they are advancing political positions.

So pro-abortion and pro-gay marriage are now political positions and not moral issues?

God's Kingdom is more important, but Presidents are not evangelists and are not seeking to convert people to their religious views. In the context of this thread, your question is a false choice.

No it's not a false choice. It's just one that Christians are choosing to toss out because they want to be able to support a candidate who worships a false god and feel okay about it while hypocritically taking a stance against other things that they feel are moral issues.

Who a candidate worships is not a political issue. The US Constitution has a religious freedom clause in it. Abortion and gay rights are open for legislation. Religious views are not.

Just building excuses to justify Christian hypocrisy. The US Constitution doesn't trump God. Lying and theft by force can be legislated too. Just ask the man pushing Obamacare.

Who a candidate worships is a moral issue just like supporting gay marriage and abortion are moral issues. Christians are just conveniently choosing for Romney's worshiping a false god to not be a moral issue because it lets them feel okay with voting for him.

Furthermore, Muslims are pro-life. Muslims are anti-gay rights. Obama says he's a Christian. He is pro-abortion and pro gay rights. Based on this we should all be voting for Obama. Your logic is silly.

I could care less that Muslims are pro-life or anti-gay rights. They worship a false god and are on the way to hell just as Romney is. That's the connection Christians seem to be missing. Christendom is doing the work of the devil by placing tacit approval upon this man who worships a false god so they might as well endorse a Muslim. There wouldn't be any difference.

Only to a person (you) that cannot separate legislative actionable items from religious beliefs.

Only to a person who thinks that something has to be legislative in order to be held up against God's standard.

I had no idea that hypocrisy and false professions of faith were impossible in Mormonism! Fact is, Romney is a professing Mormon, just as Obama is a professing Christian. Only they know in their heart what they truly believe.

There seems to be a lot of things that folks in here don't know. But that's why the country is where it is and fully deserving of all the chaos and destruction that four more years of an Obama administration can bring.

That's because they cannot affect my faith in Christ. They can affect laws I have to live under.

Yes it's okay to not trust the man who has shown himself to be an anti-Christ. But it's okay to trust the man whose faith shows him to be an anti-Christ too?

Darn strawman, shoo! Scat!

We can tear him down when the hypocrisy leaves.

I'm not voting for the President to be my religious leader. I'm voting for him to implement the laws of the land.

If you're voting for Romney, you're voting against a right Christian witness just as you would be voting for Obama.

Absolutely amazing how Christians have convinced themselves that supporting this man who worships a false god is a non-issue. No wonder so many Christians lack a witness for Christ. They are too busy making excuses that let them witness for this dying world.

Really? You can't see how a simple response like, "I'm voting for Romney because I think he will do the most good for Americans like me, but I have a big problem with his Mormonism, because Mormons aren't Christians." You don't see how that would cause follow up questions and a discussion?

Sure do. Question #1 would be what does his not being a Christian have to do with anything?

Question #2 would be So you got a problem with him not being a Christian, but not enough of a problem to not vote for him?

Question #3 Are your politics more important than your following Christ because it sure looks that way?

Question #4 Why should I listen to anything you have to say about Christ and Christianity when you can't even take a stance against someone who worships a false god over the God you say you follow?

As far as witnessing to people, it doesn't have any effect.

Now it's sad to even say that. All that says is that the world is so used to Christian hypocrisy that they expect it and will be quicker yet to receive anything from Christians.

The endorsement is of political policy positions, not individual religious beliefs. I hope I have made that clear, seeing as how I've said it numerous times now

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The only thing you done is make excuses just as a lot of other evangelicals have done in order to make endorsing that which is against Christ palatable to yourself.

I happen to believe that the element of worship is needed for idolatry to happen. A subject for another thread.

It sure is. And elevating your politics above devotion to Christ is worship. Thus the term idol worship.

OK, how about an atheist? They have no belief in God, Allah, Jesus, Buddah, nobody. If an atheist's political stances lined up with yours would you vote for he/she?

They reject Jesus Christ just as Romney rejects Jesus Christ. What are you missing here?:smilewinkgrin: Why would I place my support behind someone who rejects Jesus Christ?

 

[InTheLight]

They reject Jesus Christ just as Romney rejects Jesus Christ. What are you missing here? Why would I place my support behind someone who rejects Jesus Christ?

You keep harping on Romney worshiping a false god. Atheists don't worship any god.

The core issue here is that whoever is running for President cannot affect my belief in Christ. They can, however, affect moral issues via legislation. I'm going to support the candidate that aligns with my moral issues over someone that does not align with my moral issues. The candidate's personal religious beliefs are not being voted up or down. I could vote for a pro-life, anti gay-rights atheist. I cannot vote for a self-professed Christian (Obama) that is pro-choice and pro gay-rights.

Your attempt to twist this into idolatry is pathetic.

 

[LadyEagle]

Your attempt to twist this into idolatry is pathetic.

Yep. Three words: Supreme Court Nominations. Scuttlebutt has it that 2 or 3 Supreme Court Justices will retire soon. Do we really want another likes of a liberal Kagan or Sotamayer appointed to the highest court in the land? Because not voting or a vote for obama will accomplish just that.

 

[Zaac]

You keep harping on Romney worshiping a false god. Atheists don't worship any god.

The worship of no god is the worship of a god. As much as atheists like to say they don't practice religion, their god is their disbelief that there is a god.

And Christians shouldn't be voting for atheists either.:thumbs:

The core issue here is that whoever is running for President cannot affect my belief in Christ.

This ain't about you and your belief in Christ. This is about obedience and being an effective witness for Christ. You're grafted into the tree already. What about everybody else?

They can, however, affect moral issues via legislation. I'm going to support the candidate that aligns with my moral issues over someone that does not align with my moral issues.

And worshiping a false god is not a moral issue? (smh) Even odder that folks think you can reject the one by whom morality is measured and still be moral.

The candidate's personal religious beliefs are not being voted up or down. I could vote for a pro-life, anti gay-rights atheist. I cannot vote for a self-professed Christian (Obama) that is pro-choice and pro gay-rights.

Again, all that says is that abortion and the gay issue are bigger for you than someone worshiping the one true God. And that's the witness it gives to a lost world. That Christians care more about issues than they do about whether or not someone is going to hell.

As I have said plenty of times, it's getting so that the devil doesn't have to lift a finger because Christians are doing the anti-Christ witnessing for him.

Your attempt to twist this into idolatry is pathetic.

The attempts to deny it as idolatry so that folks can feel okay with voting for a man who worships a false god is what is sad and pathetic.

 

[Zaac]

Yep. Three words: Supreme Court Nominations. Scuttlebutt has it that 2 or 3 Supreme Court Justices will retire soon. Do we really want another likes of a liberal Kagan or Sotamayer appointed to the highest court in the land? Because not voting or a vote for obama will accomplish just that.

And if Christians are going to continue to put this country and their politics before their allegiance to God, ,shall He place that scourge known as Obama back into the White House for another 4 years to give this country EXACTLY what it is due.

 

[LadyEagle]

And if Christians are going to continue to put this country and their politics before their allegiance to God, ,shall He place that scourge known as Obama back into the White House for another 4 years to give this country EXACTLY what it is due.

And that is your opinion and you are sticking by it.

Fact: You do not know what is in Mitt Romney's heart.

Fact: You do not know what is in the hearts of the members here and whether their allegiance is to God or politics.

Fact: A vote for obama or not voting at all, will help put obama back into office for another 4 years.

Fact: Not all Mormons worship a false god. Some profess to be Christians. Some profess that "Jesus Christ is the literal Son of God. His birth, life, death, and resurrection fulfilled the many prophecies contained in the scriptures concerning the coming of a Savior. He was the Creator, He is our Savior...." Some might even be your brothers and sisters in Christ.

Fact: Not all Baptists worship the true God and not all Baptists are Christians.

Final Fact: This thread is off topic.

 

[Zaac]

And that is your opinion and you are sticking by it.

Fact: You do not know what is in Mitt Romney's heart.

Fact: He's a practicing Mormon so I know Jesus Christ ain't in there.

Fact: You do not know what is in the hearts of the members here and whether their allegiance is to God or politics.

Fact: The members in here are subject to having their actions righteously judged by God's truth just like every other person in the world is.

Fact: A vote for obama or not voting at all, will help put obama back into office for another 4 years.

Fact: Your concern is for beating Obama. Mine is for keeping Christ FIRST.

Fact: Not all Mormons worship a false god. Some profess to be Christians. Some profess that "Jesus Christ is the literal Son of God. His birth, life, death, and resurrection fulfilled the many prophecies contained in the scriptures concerning the coming of a Savior. He was the Creator, He is our Savior...." Some might even be your brothers and sisters in Christ.

Fact: You OBVIOUSLY don't know what you;re talking about.:laugh: they ALL profess to be Christians. As was said before, 80+% of Americans profess to be Christians.

Fact: Not all Baptists worship the true God and not all Baptists are Christians.

Fact: Hypocritical Baptists are subject to the righteous judgment of God's word just like everybody else.:thumbsup:

Final Fact: This thread is off topic.

FINAL Fact: The thread is talking about Romney's biggest liabilities and one of those is the fact that he's a Mormon. The thread is dead on topic.

 

[OldRegular]

Fact: He's a practicing Mormon so I know Jesus Christ ain't in there.

I suspect he is closer to God than the baby killer Obama!

Fact: The members in here are subject to having their actions righteously judged by God's truth just like every other person in the world is.

THat goes for you and as a junior member, whatever that is, you are very Pharisaical.

Fact: Your concern is for beating Obama. Mine is for keeping Christ FIRST.

How can you say you are keeping Jesus Christ first by supporting a person [Obama] whose policies are directly contrary to Scripture.

He is a rabid supporter of abortion. As a state senator in Illinois he fought against a law that would provide medical treatment for aborted babies born alive.

He supports homosexual behavior which is condemned by Scripture, both Old and New Testaments.

He is dictatorial in his policies and dictatorial in his actions.

He is a Marxist!

He is a racist and on several occasions has played the race card. Rather than working to bring races together in this country he has driven them further apart.

Fact: You OBVIOUSLY don't know what you;re talking about.:laugh: they ALL profess to be Christians. As was said before, 80+% of Americans profess to be Christians.

That is sheer arrogance. Who made you judge; but then your dear leader, Obama, is supremely arrogant and judgmental.

Fact: Hypocritical Baptists are subject to the righteous judgment of God's word just like everybody else.:thumbsup:

And again you are a supreme example of hypocrisy.

FINAL Fact: The thread is talking about Romney's biggest liabilities and one of those is the fact that he's a Mormon. The thread is dead on topic.

CTB has one ally on this thread whether he wants him or not!

 

[OldRegular]

As a Christian who is supposed to keep Christ first in all things including my politics, Romney's biggest liability is that he is a Mormon who worships a false god.

I simply don't understand how THAT cannot be an issue for evangelicals who have for decades proclaimed that they could not support pro-choice or pro-gay candidates. Are those issues bigger than the god being worshiped?

Why does it now appear that all that talk was just talk and a lot of evangelicals are compromising in order to get the anti-Christ candidate who is in the White House out?

You are correct! We are trying to get the anti-Christ man in the White House out! We know something about Romney and his religion. We know almost nothing about Obama and his religion, even after four years.

 

[Zaac]

I suspect he is closer to God than the baby killer Obama!

There's an old Gospel song that says 99 and a 1/2 won't do. What is it that y'all don't get? He's a Mormon. He chooses to worship a false god. How does that make Him closer to God than a baby killer?

Oddly, because y'all want to feel okay voting for this man, some of you have gotten this mistaken notion that worshiping a false god ain't as bad as abortion or any of the other Christian sins du jour for politics.

THat goes for you and as a junior member, whatever that is, you are very Pharisaical.

If it didn't go for me as a Christian too, I wouldn't have said it. And yes, I've been called worse by those who want to assuage their own feelings about supporting a man who worships a false god.

How can you say you are keeping Jesus Christ first by supporting a person [Obama] whose policies are directly contrary to Scripture.

I don't know where you got the mistaken notion from that I support Obama. I wouldn't support that anti-Christ if he were the only person running.:laugh:

He is a rabid supporter of abortion. As a state senator in Illinois he fought against a law that would provide medical treatment for aborted babies born alive.

He supports homosexual behavior which is condemned by Scripture, both Old and New Testaments.

He is dictatorial in his policies and dictatorial in his actions.

He is a Marxist!

He is a racist and on several occasions has played the race card. Rather than working to bring races together in this country he has driven them further apart.

Yep. Everything Christ is for he is against. Yet somehow all that stuff carries more weight for some of y'all than the fact that a man is worshiping a false god.

That is sheer arrogance. Who made you judge; but then your dear leader, Obama, is supremely arrogant and judgmental.

The same One who just allowed you to judge. And you continue to unrighteously judge and be just plain wrong because you haven't read or seen anything that says I support barack Hussein Obama.

And again you are a supreme example of hypocrisy.

It would only be hypocritical if I denied judgment by God's truth.

CTB has one ally on this thread whether he wants him or not!

And the worshiper of a false god has a lot of allies in this thread too.

 

[Zaac]

You are correct! We are trying to get the anti-Christ man in the White House out! We know something about Romney and his religion. We know almost nothing about Obama and his religion, even after four years.

And as a I said, if folks are gonna elevate their desire to get that anti-Christ out of office over keeping God first by supporting a man who worships a false god, then they might as well identify that desire as the idolatry that it is.

 

[InTheLight]

Again, all that says is that abortion and the gay issue are bigger for you than someone worshiping the one true God. And that's the witness it gives to a lost world. That Christians care more about issues than they do about whether or not someone is going to hell.

Of course I care about whether or not someone (Romney) is going to hell. You show me where I can cast a vote for Romney to get saved and I'll do it. Meanwhile I CAN vote for Romney to curtail abortions and gay rights.

 

[InTheLight]

And if Christians are going to continue to put this country and their politics before their allegiance to God, ,shall He place that scourge known as Obama back into the White House for another 4 years to give this country EXACTLY what it is due.

Saturneptune, is that you?

 

[Zaac]

Of course I care about whether or not someone (Romney) is going to hell. You show me where I can cast a vote for Romney to get saved and I'll do it. Meanwhile I CAN vote for Romney to curtail abortions and gay rights.

smh Who said that you didn't care about someone (Romney) going to hell?


I said that y'all making abortion and gay marriage a bigger issue than worshiping a false god gives the impression that you care more about those issues than folks going to hell.

And that's why some can hitch their wagon to the false god worshiper while feigning to have convictions and not do the same with a pro-abortion/pro-gay supporting candidate.

It's hypocritical.

 

[Zaac]

Saturneptune, is that you?

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