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MMF - Contemporary Music at Church
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<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by MagicDar:
Responding to a post on Rockfort, yeah Gaither's music maybe in Wal-Mart, but so is Tiffy and New Kids On The Block and we're talking a decade ago of music. New music is usually defined as newer styles of music or newer groups not where it is sold.
Dar<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
I can't tell for sure whether you agree or disagree with my advocacy of all music based on whether if offers words of praise, not based on age or style. Anyway, it was 'Jeronimo' who began the Wal(K)-Mart angle in this thread, and this person has made no futher posts herein.
Responding to a post on Rockfort, yeah Gaither's music maybe in Wal-Mart, but so is Tiffy and New Kids On The Block and we're talking a decade ago of music. New music is usually defined as newer styles of music or newer groups not where it is sold.
Dar<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
I can't tell for sure whether you agree or disagree with my advocacy of all music based on whether if offers words of praise, not based on age or style. Anyway, it was 'Jeronimo' who began the Wal(K)-Mart angle in this thread, and this person has made no futher posts herein.
Wow Jeronimo, we really need to be careful how we use the scripture of being separate from the world, because if you use it the way you are using it you would have to literally throw your computer in the trash can as well as your radio or sterio system and your car, because every single person in the world uses the computer and the internet so it is without a doubt worldy.
I have also had wonderful chances to wittness thru ccm. I also think its funny how people relate right and wrong music to being able to "hear the words", I still think that one is really old. Another thing, why would it be wrong if any christian music is available in secular stores? I would think that would be great so that others have access to it that wouldn't noramlly visit a christian book store.
Just a little info for ya as well...there are some hymns that the music was taken from bar rooms such as the song "Amazing Grace", not the amazing grace your thinking of but the song that goes...Amazing grace shall always be my song of praise...that song was actually formated from the song "Oh Danny Boy" in the bar room.
I know from experience that people do not look for signs of christianity in you thru the music you listen to, but thru your actions and your reactions to others.
Dar
I have also had wonderful chances to wittness thru ccm. I also think its funny how people relate right and wrong music to being able to "hear the words", I still think that one is really old. Another thing, why would it be wrong if any christian music is available in secular stores? I would think that would be great so that others have access to it that wouldn't noramlly visit a christian book store.
Just a little info for ya as well...there are some hymns that the music was taken from bar rooms such as the song "Amazing Grace", not the amazing grace your thinking of but the song that goes...Amazing grace shall always be my song of praise...that song was actually formated from the song "Oh Danny Boy" in the bar room.
I know from experience that people do not look for signs of christianity in you thru the music you listen to, but thru your actions and your reactions to others.
Dar
I've been biting my tongue on this issue for way too long.
You can praise God with any instrument! ANY instrument!
Thou shalt not praise me with the guitar.
Thou shalt not praise me with the drums.
Thou shalt praise me only with a piano, a flute, or an harp.
Where is it? Pull out the good book and show me where people didn't praise G-d
through songs and music.
When we have our new earth, do you know what I'm going to do? I'm going to run along the banks of the river Jordan and DANCE! (hopefully the crocs won't still be biting) If there's any kind of instrument nearby I will pick it up and play it, and sing praises to G-d. I somehow feel that the true joy we will feel there will not involve a bunch of somberfaced people seated in the great, beautiful new world singing softly (because shouting with joy is so wrong) and to the tune of a wavering organ (oops, maybe that's wrong to) Shall we gather at the River.
Is there a limit? Yes. Should any song of praise to our Father involve profanity, screaming unintelligibly, or sung for self-profit? No.
When I and my children praise G-d, we clap, dance, do whatever our hearts lead us to. There is JOY in the Lord! Joy, joy, joy, happiness, peace, hope, light, tranquility, and our praise can and should reflect that.
Gina
You can praise God with any instrument! ANY instrument!
Thou shalt not praise me with the guitar.
Thou shalt not praise me with the drums.
Thou shalt praise me only with a piano, a flute, or an harp.
Where is it? Pull out the good book and show me where people didn't praise G-d
through songs and music.
When we have our new earth, do you know what I'm going to do? I'm going to run along the banks of the river Jordan and DANCE! (hopefully the crocs won't still be biting) If there's any kind of instrument nearby I will pick it up and play it, and sing praises to G-d. I somehow feel that the true joy we will feel there will not involve a bunch of somberfaced people seated in the great, beautiful new world singing softly (because shouting with joy is so wrong) and to the tune of a wavering organ (oops, maybe that's wrong to) Shall we gather at the River.
Is there a limit? Yes. Should any song of praise to our Father involve profanity, screaming unintelligibly, or sung for self-profit? No.
When I and my children praise G-d, we clap, dance, do whatever our hearts lead us to. There is JOY in the Lord! Joy, joy, joy, happiness, peace, hope, light, tranquility, and our praise can and should reflect that.
Gina
Gina, I am not opposed to using any instrument to praise God; but you are framing your argument incorrectly. It is not necessary to have a "thou shalt not" for something to be wrong. Where does the Bible say "thou shalt not baptize infants" or "thou shalt not do drugs"?
If you believe many ways of praising God are acceptable, why would you ridicule a bunch of somber faced individuals singing softly Shall We Gather at the River? Maybe they find joy in that!
And why do you deliberately type God as G-d? Is there some meaning about that? It kinda bothers me.
If you believe many ways of praising God are acceptable, why would you ridicule a bunch of somber faced individuals singing softly Shall We Gather at the River? Maybe they find joy in that!
And why do you deliberately type God as G-d? Is there some meaning about that? It kinda bothers me.
You're right, there is a time to be peaceful too. I cannot picture myself at the bottom of a majestic mountain at dusk, when all is calm, clapping and shouting. There's different emotions involved, and they're all ok. to show.
Perhaps I did frame the argument wrong, I was trying to make a point and it obviously didn't work the way I wanted it too. But do you get my point now?
Typing G-d the way I do is what I've always done. I think maybe it's a Jewish thing. It's supposed to show reverance by not using it so lightly, and it gives you a moment to pause and thing about Who you're writing about when you take that extra step. If it bothers you, don't ever, ever, go to www.Jerusalem.com. You may pass out!
Gina
Perhaps I did frame the argument wrong, I was trying to make a point and it obviously didn't work the way I wanted it too. But do you get my point now?
Typing G-d the way I do is what I've always done. I think maybe it's a Jewish thing. It's supposed to show reverance by not using it so lightly, and it gives you a moment to pause and thing about Who you're writing about when you take that extra step. If it bothers you, don't ever, ever, go to www.Jerusalem.com. You may pass out!
Gina
Ok...the point is this. Everyone has a certain taste in music style. The bible says to use instruments and to dance as well and keep in mind david danced before the Lord.
The question is...where is your heart? When you sing, play music, dance or do any type of worship. I like the praise song that says "I'm coming back to a heart of worship when its all about you Jesus, I'm sorry Lord for the thing I have made it when its all about you Jesus.
It is all about Jesus and what he means to us and we are to praise him with our whole heart, mind and spirit and if all that checks in well then I would say your in good shape. -Dar
The question is...where is your heart? When you sing, play music, dance or do any type of worship. I like the praise song that says "I'm coming back to a heart of worship when its all about you Jesus, I'm sorry Lord for the thing I have made it when its all about you Jesus.
It is all about Jesus and what he means to us and we are to praise him with our whole heart, mind and spirit and if all that checks in well then I would say your in good shape.
-Dar
Academic Note: Typing the word G-d is very much Jewish. The Talmud does not allow for the name of G-d to be written on something "that will perish" such as paper, chalk board, internet, letters, etc.
And the Jewish "special" name for God YHWH (Yahweh) is NEVER even spoken. It is too sacred a tetragrammaton to be uttered.
Even though it is written out in the Torah, it is always substituted by "Adonai" (a more generic term for Lord) when spoken.
And the Jewish "special" name for God YHWH (Yahweh) is NEVER even spoken. It is too sacred a tetragrammaton to be uttered.
Even though it is written out in the Torah, it is always substituted by "Adonai" (a more generic term for Lord) when spoken.
I think doing both a traditional worship service and ccm worship service is a great idea because it serves tastes in many people. Perhaps if people are offended by the ccm service maybe there can be two different church services that way both types of congregations can be served.
just a thought is all -dar
just a thought is all -darJohn Wells
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Good thread! It seems we have mixed opinions obviously. There are the "live and let live," or more appropriately "worship and let worship" types. Then we have the "my way or the highway" types !
By the same token that everyone doesn't drive a brown Ford Taurus (what if that was the only car made ?), not every church is the same. Some think that's OK and some won't sleep until all churches are just like theirs (that's OK, you can sleep when you get to heaven ).
Where am I going with this? If you like stoic hymnal music at precisely the same places in the program every Sunday of your life . . . there's a church for you! Go there and be happy. If you like contemporary worship music, interjected a little more randomly in the program, there's a church for you also . . . go and be happy!
NOTE: I don't think anyone advocating contemporary Christian Music (CCM) in the threads herein are suggesting the congregation break out and sing "Jesus Freak!" Contemporary music sung in a worship service setting that comes to my mind is "praise and worship" music of the Hosanna and Integrity Music type. The lyrics are every bit as scriptural as any hymnal song, and the melodies are beautiful. It's my kind of music and I worship where it's sung. I'm not saying the preacher and the sermon aren't important, but praise and worship is important also. The first church we visited when the family moved a couple of years ago was a "three hymns with a sermon sandwiched in between" type service (went 3 times). We just passed through!
!By the same token that everyone doesn't drive a brown Ford Taurus (what if that was the only car made
?), not every church is the same. Some think that's OK and some won't sleep until all churches are just like theirs (that's OK, you can sleep when you get to heaven ).Where am I going with this? If you like stoic hymnal music at precisely the same places in the program every Sunday of your life . . . there's a church for you! Go there and be happy. If you like contemporary worship music, interjected a little more randomly in the program, there's a church for you also . . . go and be happy!
NOTE: I don't think anyone advocating contemporary Christian Music (CCM) in the threads herein are suggesting the congregation break out and sing "Jesus Freak!" Contemporary music sung in a worship service setting that comes to my mind is "praise and worship" music of the Hosanna and Integrity Music type. The lyrics are every bit as scriptural as any hymnal song, and the melodies are beautiful. It's my kind of music and I worship where it's sung. I'm not saying the preacher and the sermon aren't important, but praise and worship is important also. The first church we visited when the family moved a couple of years ago was a "three hymns with a sermon sandwiched in between" type service (went 3 times). We just passed through!
fwbbcflames
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I like both styles of music. At my College we have chapel four days a week and during chapel we have a mix of music. One song may be Shout to the Lord, while the next one may be How Great Thou Art. It makes for a good Worship service.
Originally posted by wellsjs:
[QB]Good thread! It seems we have mixed opinions obviously. There are the "live and let live," or more appropriately "worship and let worship" types. Then we have the "my way or the highway" types
By the same token that everyone doesn't drive a brown Ford Taurus (what if that was the only car made
This reminds me of the Newsboys (
"He worships while he grooves, she prays and barely moves,
but they're both reflecting pure devotion.
And some go for broke like headless chicken-folk
(inspiring jokes about poultry-in-motion).
His spirit's in me, his spirit's in you,
so there's a common bond between us.
And the mission for me is a mission for you -
we have a common cause to link us."
BTW, I believe that's the only song that contains the phrase "headless chicken folk."
Elizabeth
Barnabas H.
<b>Oldtimer</b>
<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by wellsjs:
By the same token that everyone doesn't drive a brown Ford Taurus (what if that was the only car made ?)<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
What do you mean "wellsjs?" I drive a 1966 maroon Ford Taurus Wagon with a sunroof and all the amenities inside. My wife as of late asked for a new car, and after looking at our budget we were postponing it. But then on April 26th she was going out to visit the grandchildren in the country and fell asleep behind the wheels. She went through a fence post with barbed wire, punctured the windshield nearly missing her by a couple of inches. The car was totaled but PTL she escaped injury. Her guardian angels were working overtime that day! And since she wanted a new car, well, we purchased this 1966 Ford Taurus wagon. Who ever owned it before left it in a mint condition. So, I hope you are not putting down the Tauruses.
By the same token that everyone doesn't drive a brown Ford Taurus (what if that was the only car made
?)<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>What do you mean "wellsjs?" I drive a 1966 maroon Ford Taurus Wagon with a sunroof and all the amenities inside. My wife as of late asked for a new car, and after looking at our budget we were postponing it. But then on April 26th she was going out to visit the grandchildren in the country and fell asleep behind the wheels. She went through a fence post with barbed wire, punctured the windshield nearly missing her by a couple of inches. The car was totaled but PTL she escaped injury. Her guardian angels were working overtime that day! And since she wanted a new car, well, we purchased this 1966 Ford Taurus wagon. Who ever owned it before left it in a mint condition. So, I hope you are not putting down the Tauruses.
John Wells
New Member
B.J.,
You said, "So, I hope you are not putting down the Tauruses."
Picked it out of the air. No offense intended. In your case, insert "neon green Yugo!"
You said, "So, I hope you are not putting down the Tauruses."
Picked it out of the air. No offense intended. In your case, insert "neon green Yugo!"