Modern Baal Worship Today?

[Jim1999]

I'll give this thread the same seriousness as What flavour milk do you drink,,or something like that.

The answer ignores my question whilst evangelicals continue to shout and holler about those who stand behind abortions. WHAT are you doing about it?

 

[Marcia]

I'll give this thread the same seriousness as What flavour milk do you drink,,or something like that.

The answer ignores my question whilst evangelicals continue to shout and holler about those who stand behind abortions. WHAT are you doing about it?

Jim, what are your suggestions on what we should do?

Also, you didn't anwer my question about what you meant by "legitimate abortions?"

 

[Jim1999]

A legitimate abortion is one approved by the 3 physicians in hospital who are engaged for that purpose. They must4 have medical reasons for approving an abortion.

Cheers,

Jim

 

[thegospelgeek]

I'll give this thread the same seriousness as What flavour milk do you drink,,or something like that.

The answer ignores my question whilst evangelicals continue to shout and holler about those who stand behind abortions. WHAT are you doing about it?

I am not sure what you mean by "What are you doing?" Do you mean what am I doing to prevent unwanted pregnancies?

I teach abstinance to those who I have access to teach through the Church and my contacts with the public.

or do you mean what am I doing to stop abortion.

I, like most of you vote for a Pro-Life stance instaed of my wallet.

Or what am I doing to provide a viable solution to those seaking abortions?

I support a charity that provides education, housing, and other needs to Mothers who desire help.

I also provide clothing and other needed items when and where I see a need.

I understand your point, but are you implying that a lack of action on the part of the Church make abortion "Right" or that a lack of action on the part of the Church makes abortion more likely for an unsaved mother to choose.

I disagree with the firts, but whole heartedly agree with the second.

 

[donnA]

A legitimate abortion is one approved by the 3 physicians in hospital who are engaged for that purpose. They must4 have medical reasons for approving an abortion.

Cheers,

Jim

not here.
What do you mean by legitimate abortions?
To save the mothers life? Thos,a s marcia said, account for only 1% of abortions.
What do you expect people to do about it? We can't force people not to murder their child if it is legal. we can teach abstinance, we can not vote for people who approve of abortion, especially partial birth abortion which is never done when the mothers life is at risk as this abortion itself puts the mothers life at greater risk, when available (we don't have one in our town or county, but we don't have an abortion clinic either) we can support either with money or time crisis pregnancy centers. You act as if christians are doing nothing. Which isn't true. Yet you appear to ahve no answers other then to defend murdering babies.

 

[Jim1999]

Let it be clear that I am not in favour of random "I choose if I please" abortion. I am saying that, in general, the "chuches" are shouting in the streets words of condemnation, but providing few avenues to resolve the issues. It is something like that so-called Baptist preacher in Western USA who goes about protesting everything and nothing! All he accomplishes is giving decent Christians a bad reputation.

In Canada, originally, an abortion had to be approved by 3 doctors in a hospital. They had to decide the medical neccesity, and not just an "oops! I made a mistake. Take it away" sort of thing.

Then along comes a doctor who decides with the Woman's liberation movement that any woman has a right to an abortion. It became a political thing and he won his case in court. The few Christian help centres died off and here we now stand.

Hence my queston. What are we doing? Our dear brother from Kentucky listed what is happenning in his state, and I commended them for that. At least they are moving in the right direction. Nationwide, it is a drop in the bucket, and all I hear are the insults, the shouting, the denigration of those who chose abortion. We give a starving man an apple in the street so we don't have to take him into our clean home for a meal.

Hope this clarifies where I stand.

Cheers,

Jim

 

[Marcia]

Jim I think the gospelgeek said what I was trying to ask you. What do you expect us to do, and if we are not doing something, does that mean we should not protest abortions?

 

[thegospelgeek]

I am not sure what you mean by "What are you doing?" Do you mean what am I doing to prevent unwanted pregnancies?

I teach abstinance to those who I have access to teach through the Church and my contacts with the public.

or do you mean what am I doing to stop abortion.

I, like most of you vote for a Pro-Life stance instaed of my wallet.

Or what am I doing to provide a viable solution to those seaking abortions?

I support a charity that provides education, housing, and other needs to Mothers who desire help.

I also provide clothing and other needed items when and where I see a need.

I understand your point, but are you implying that a lack of action on the part of the Church make abortion "Right" or that a lack of action on the part of the Church makes abortion more likely for an unsaved mother to choose.

I disagree with the first, but whole heartedly agree with the second.

I hate to quote myself but I would like to add that I would expect to find that most Christians do very similar if not more.

 

[thegospelgeek]

Back to the OP...

I would be very much in agreement. Although we don't build alters and hold ritualistic rites, idol worship is alive and well in our current culture. I would like to do some more reading on the Baal worship information. He mention that it consist of child sacrifice, sexual immorality, and a worship of the earth. This goes along with what I've been taught but are there any reliable sources on the subject?

 

[Revmitchell]

Regardless of any alternatives being offered. Speaking out against the slaughter of unborn children is always worth while.

 

[Marcia]

Back to the OP...

I would be very much in agreement. Although we don't build alters and hold ritualistic rites, idol worship is alive and well in our current culture. I would like to do some more reading on the Baal worship information. He mention that it consist of child sacrifice, sexual immorality, and a worship of the earth. This goes along with what I've been taught but are there any reliable sources on the subject?

One of those Old Testament books by authors like Gleason Archer and R K Harrison have some of this info. Maybe both, I can't recall. I'm sure there are others.

Of course the OT itself lists these as practices found in the pagan cultures in Deut., I think in Numbers, also in 1 and 2 Kings and other books.

Archeologists have confirmed finding remains of infants at the altars to some of the pagan gods. The Archeological Study Bible probably has info on this.

 

[Tom Butler]

There is nothing new about paganism. Repackaged, with new definitions, it's still the same

 

[Aaron]

I'll give this thread the same seriousness as What flavour milk do you drink,,or something like that.

The answer ignores my question whilst evangelicals continue to shout and holler about those who stand behind abortions. WHAT are you doing about it?

What one is or isn't doing about abortion is irrelevant to this discussion. If one were speaking against the evangelicals, you wouldn't ask him that question. You'd simply applaud him.

I don't believe you're concerned one whit about a girl being pressured into killing her child; I think you're concerned only for your own ease and comfort, afraid that if you agree with those here who are lifting their voices for the innocent, you might feel compelled to get off your own bum and do something yourself. That might cost you the approval of the socialists in whose midst you abide and to whom you conform.

So let me ask YOU a question. How many innocent lives is your luxury worth, Jim?

 

[Jim1999]

You don't know the half and your posts show it. Come walk in my shoes some day, and then ask the same question. What did you do Christmas Day? Sit and stuff your face with turkey? I fasted, prayed and visited the lonely and alone people in community. The Lord knows what I do. No need to advertise.

Cheers,

Jim

 

[Thinkingstuff]

You don't know the half and your posts show it. Come walk in my shoes some day, and then ask the same question. What did you do Christmas Day? Sit and stuff your face with turkey? I fasted, prayed and visited the lonely and alone people in community. The Lord knows what I do. No need to advertise.

Cheers,

Jim

Praise be to God! This is true religion! I stuffed my face with ham with the rest of my family though :tear:

 

[PeterM]

I would hope that there are always voices for defending an unborn child's right to live. Those voices, for the last 30+ years, have been coming from God's people and rightly so. However, "protesting" against abortion should only make up a small part of our actions and for a long time it is what we are known for most. As others have said, we are very good at telling others what we are against, but not so good at promoting what we are for.

Western churches should be replete with families that are fostering or have adopted children from this continent and around the world. We need to be pushing the adoption agenda with as much energy as we push the anti-abortion agenda. Continuing to help those in need by way of crisis intervention is also vital as is ensuring our churches remaining the loudest voice for life.

 

[PeterM]

You don't know the half and your posts show it. Come walk in my shoes some day, and then ask the same question. What did you do Christmas Day? Sit and stuff your face with turkey? I fasted, prayed and visited the lonely and alone people in community. The Lord knows what I do. No need to advertise.

Cheers,

Jim

Wow Jim... you really are "spiritual" :thumbs:.

By the way, on the whole advertising thing... you just did...

 

[Marcia]

I would hope that there are always voices for defending an unborn child's right to live. Those voices, for the last 30+ years, have been coming from God's people and rightly so. However, "protesting" against abortion should only make up a small part of our actions and for a long time it is what we are known for most. As others have said, we are very good at telling others what we are against, but not so good at promoting what we are for.

Western churches should be replete with families that are fostering or have adopted children from this continent and around the world. We need to be pushing the adoption agenda with as much energy as we push the anti-abortion agenda. Continuing to help those in need by way of crisis intervention is also vital as is ensuring our churches remaining the loudest voice for life.

I know so many Christian families that have adopted, I can't even count them all. And the ones I am thinking of of, except for one family, have adopted more than one child. And these are families who also have natural children and who are not rich at all.

One family has adopted 2 special needs kids plus 4 kids from the Phillippines (at 2 different times). Many have adopted older children who are hard to place. I think if it's this common in my church (most of the families I know doing this are ones I know from my church), then I think other Christians out there are adopting.

Let's not forget that orphanages were started by Christians. Pagans just put out unwanted infants on the city wall to be eaten by wild animals.

I think with adoption and pregnancy centers supported by churches, Christians have been doing their part for some time. We can't save every child out there, but we sure have made a dent.

 

[Aaron]

You don't know the half and your posts show it.

I know your words. You're in favor of killing a baby if 3 or 4 doctors say it's okay. So you favor murder by a committee professionals instead of murder on demand by an individual.

Are you sure all your harpin' on what WE are doing isn't just so much smoke to mask the murder in your heart?

 

[Aaron]

I fasted, prayed and visited the lonely and alone people in community. The Lord knows what I do. No need to advertise.

Cheers,

Jim

Oops! There goes your reward!:laugh: