Modern Baptist Heroes

[Lil Sister]

First of all, my husband!
Then also John Piper, Jerry Bridges, AW Pink

 

[Wiedertaufen]

[/qb][/QUOTE]George W. Truett -- he stood up to J. Frank Norris and would not let him destroy Texas Baptist life.][/QUOTE]

And this is a good thing? Do you support the liberals that J. Frank Norris preached against? Do you support those with doctrines of devils, like "theistic evoluion?"

 

[Wiedertaufen]

James White

James White is a five point Calvinist heretick. Calvinism has never been a historical Baptist doctrine. The Baptist are not "reformed." Also, James White is an enemy and an attacker of the King James Bible. A Bible that has, without dispute been used by God in a mighty way.

 

[Baptist Believer]

Originally posted by Wiedertaufen:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />George W. Truett -- he stood up to J. Frank Norris and would not let him destroy Texas Baptist life.]

And this is a good thing?</font>[/QUOTE]

Yes.

Do you support the liberals that J. Frank Norris preached against?

Most of those "liberals" whom Norris preached against were not liberals at all. Norris loved to demonize anyone who did not fully support everything he wanted to do.

Do you support those with doctrines of devils...

No. I also don't support those who do the work of the evil one by falsely accusing the saints. That's why I am glad Truett stood up to Norris.

 

[Wiedertaufen]

Originally posted by Baptist Believer:

And this is a good thing?

Yes.

J. Frank Norris was probably the best preacher that the liberal Southern Baptist convention ever produced.

[qb]Do you support the liberals that J. Frank Norris preached againstMost of those "liberals" whom Norris preached against were not liberals at all. Norris loved to demonize anyone who did not fully support everything he wanted to do.

Norris only wanted to run out Satan's workers from the Southern Baptist Convention. When that failed, he became Independent Baptist.

[qb]Do you support those with doctrines of devils...No. I also don't support those who do the work of the evil one by falsely accusing the saints. That's why I am glad Truett stood up to Norris.

Can you prove that these things that he accussed them of was false?

 

[Baptist Believer]

J. Frank Norris was probably the best preacher that the liberal Southern Baptist convention ever produced.

Seems like you have a strong bias...

Norris only wanted to run out Satan's workers from the Southern Baptist Convention.

Okay... So he was trying to separate the wheat from the tares in explicit disobedience of the Lord Jesus?

When that failed, he became Independent Baptist.

Yep. He was kicked out of the association and the state convention many years before and literally carried out of two consecutive meetings of the SBC for rushing the platform claiming that the leadership was "communist".

Can you prove that these things that he accussed them of was false?

We're speaking in generalities, so I don't know who you are referring to specifically.

Norris accused so many people of so many things it is difficult to keep track of them. As far as "proving" it goes, the burden of proof is with the person making the allegation of wrongdoing or error.

While Norris attempted to expose a number of people of questionable character and expose genuine corruption in Fort Worth politics and government, he also vilified and attacked a number of people who were apparently innocent. His behavior toward Truett was contemptable as well as his attacks on Southwestern Seminary.

Furthermore, Norris's own record of telling the truth and doing things honestly is highly questionable. In his trial for perjury (he was put on trial three times - once each for arson, perjury and murder), he surely would have been convicted if the grand jury had recorded whether or not he was sworn to tell the truth before his second day of his testimony before them regarding the suspicious fires that destroyed the First Baptist Church building and the parsonage.

 

[Wiedertaufen]

Yep. He was kicked out of the association and the state convention many years before and literally carried out of two consecutive meetings of the SBC for rushing the platform claiming that the leadership was "communist".]

It wouldn't surprise me if they were "Communist." Conservative Southern Baptist churches are a remnant. Most today have gone to new age "Bibles" and contemporary worship. The Southern Baptist Convention goes against the "non-denominational" stand of historical Baptist.

 

[rsr]

OK. To all parties, this is a discussion forum and the tone will remain civil.

Civility in not optional here.

If we want to discuss the sins of the SBC, let's move it to the denominations forum.

 

[Bondslave]

Theologian, Greek Scholar, and Soul Winner Mitchel G. Chakour

 

[riverwalker]

For me, Billy Graham. I say so because I believe he has led more people to Christ through his preaching than anyone in the last few centries. Some may disagree but We shall see;

2 Cor. 5:10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.

 

[jshurley04]

J. Frank Norris - You may not like him, but he single handedly changed the direction of the Ind. Baptist Movement.
Lewis Entzminger - Great Sunday School Organizer
G.B. Vick - Founder Baptist Bible College
W.E. Dowell - Former President Baptist Bible College
John R. Rice
Jack Hyles (Pre KJVO heresy)
Davis Bryant - President Arlington Baptist College
Dr. James T. Sewell - Prof. Baptist Bible College/Chair Pastoral Dept.

 

[gb93433]

Originally posted by Ernie Brazee:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Charlesga:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />

Problem with being famous, one has to compromise somewhere to continue to be popular.

I don't know that I agree with this statement. Billy Graham comes to mind....he has an amazing ability to present the gospel and for people to respond. No doubt God has worked through his popularity. </font>[/QUOTE]You have made my point.


There has been enough said about this compromiser. If he preached against infant baptism, the sacraments, etc. he wouldn't be nearly as popular. It isn't always what one says, but what one doesn't say that makes one a compromiser. </font>[/QUOTE]Bily Graham is an evangelist not a local church pastor. He has about 30 minutes each message to give the people the good news of Jesus Christ. If he spent his time on issues that are not eternal he would not have sepnt time on the issue of eternal salvation. With an evangelist salvation is the focus not other issues.

In the south he did deal with racism that the local pastors did not. Racism still exists and the local pastors in some of those communities still have not dealt with it. They just have the attitude of live and let live.

When I went to visit a friend of mine in LA he pointed out to me the differences in the town. He asked how we got directions to get there. I told him we asked at a local grocery store. His wife asked, "Didn't we notice something different?" I told him that we didn't. He pointed out that was the black part of town. In that town was a black Baptist church and a white Baptist church. He pastored the white church. He also told me that he got along very well with the other pastor. So I asked him what he thought about that picture. He told me he knew it was wrong but that there was little he could do. So the picture was that black christians are different than white christians.

Recently a speaker spoke and said that most Christians say they trsut God and believe the Bible but live as atheists.

So amidst your criticisms of a man who is doing his best to live for God, who is living for Jesus Christ because of your life? The fact is that the majority of Christians cannot name one person they have discipled who is living for Jesus Christ. I cannot criticize anyone who is doing there best to grow and become more like Christ who is following Christ's command given to His disciples in Mt. 28:19,20. You might say well Billy Graham does not follow up on all those decisions. The article I want you to read started the discipleship program for the BGEA. I was also a part of that program at one time.

Sometime read the article at http://www.gospelcom.net/navs/collegiate/resources/borntoreproduce.pdf

 

[gb93433]

Originally posted by Jim Ellis:
Canada is mostly unsaved contrary to your beliefs!
Less than 6% is born again as us Baptist believers.
As for the remark about Texas and states like Texas about capital punishment, read Romans 13!
God believes in capital punishment, look in
Acts Chapter 5 where it talks about Ananias and Sapphira, God struck them down Himself for lying to the Holy Spirit! Canada civilized? Supposedly they was to be the USA's best friend???
Canada is way to liberal, Why even there preachers can't preach all of the Gospel without getting in trouble with so called Gay hate speech!
I may not live in Texas any more, but God Bless her and the rest of the USA, land to the free, and home of the brave!

I have a close friend who taught law at UT-Austin a few years ago. He also represents people on death row. The things he has told me would make you hang your head in shame about some of the things that happens in our judicial system. He has told me of many cases where the lawyer representing the person has come to court a little too inebriated. I once asked him there was ever a time when he felt the person was not guilty of the crime. He said, "Yes." I asked him how many times. At the time he had only been practicing for a few years and told me, "Twice." So you believe in the death penalty. That's great. But do you also believe in a judicial system that has executed innocnent people in the name of justice but really politics and lack of money and representation for the accused. Are you willing to declare some innocent people guilty and execute them?

You do know it is much less costly to sentence people to life in prison than execution.

 

[gb93433]

Originally posted by Jim1999:
Haruo,
I don't mind a litte exchange, but as missionaries? It sounds like we are some pagan "mission" field, a little condescending.

We speak English, French and a few other languages. We have modern shops in our towns and cities. Our people are generally fully clothed, drive motorcars and a lot of us go to church on Sunday. We even have ordained ministers, Bible Colleges, seminaries and theological schools in our universities, of which there are many.

Then, on second thought, it might be educational for the Texans to come here. They might learn that we don't legally kill people by the droves, which makes us slightly more civilized. Bring them on. We will teach them.

Cheers,

Jim

Several years agio I raced bicycles in the velodrome at China Creek Park in Vancouver, B.C. I found those men to be especially hospitable. I was 19 and one of the men who had ridden professionally and had ridden in the Tour De France invited me to his home for one week. I was shocked. I was so shocked that I asked a friend of mine about what he thought of that. He told me that was the way those people were. My experiences have been absolutely fantastic with Canadians. It was the same way when I worked in Finland.

A friend of mine was interviewed to teach at a Baptist seminary in Canada and was very impressed. He didn't go because his parents were elderly and actually did not live much longer after that.

 

[zuchva]

I guess anycne can be a hero these days.

 

[dr396]

Wow this is a great subject. Here's my list

Carl F.H. Henry -- theologian of the early evangelical movement
Billy Graham -- preacher of the early evangelical movement
Ernie Reisinger -- Calvinist torch-bearer during the liberal years of the SBC
Paige Patterson, Adrian Rogers, and Paul Pressler -- brought the SBC back to its historic roots of inerrancy
Al Mohler -- my president and the greatest SBTS president since John Broadus
David Dockery -- my former president and a major player in the revival of the SBC
John Piper -- nuff said
Wayne Grudem, D.A. Carson, Millard Erickson -- those who unknowingly taught me much in seminary (and continue to do so)

Here are my future heroes
Mark Dever -- bringing back Biblical eldership
Stan Norman -- Professor of Theology at NOBTS
Russell D. Moore -- Dean of School of Theology at SBTS (he's only 32)
Sam Shaw -- pastor Germantown Bapt., Memphis (hopefully the 1st calvinist SBC pres)
Vodie Bachaum -- speaker guy and hopefully the 1st African American SBC pres)

well that's enough for now. I am sure I missed a bunch though.

D.R.