Modesty

I'm not a man lusting after women, nor do I preach in church about it. which si what you were talking about in your post.

 

since when is a woman's body, which God created a wicked thing?

 

I don't care if you're in church or not, so that's not what I'm talking about at all. If you tell somebody that they're sinful for doing something, then you're preaching about it in my opinion. If you cannot understand what the hormones can do to you, and you cannot handle your own lusts, I don't see how you can be active in telling somebody why they are sinful for not being able to control theirs. Sounds like the pot calling the kettle black to me.

 

So, by that train of thought, all women should just go ahead and dress like strippers while at church, right?

I actually could care less about the outfits of most women. VERY FEW go beyond what I would consider provocative or whatever. Even if it doesn't turn somebody on in a sinful manner, an obvious display of a tattoo right above your crack while in church is just distasteful. If you can argue against this statement... ah, well, there's just no hope, so I digress.

 

Make no mistake. The woman's body is gorgeous and one of God's most magnificent creations in my humble view. However, the advertising of that body should be reserved for her current or future husband in their bed chamber and not for other men, not for me and not for my children.

It would perhaps be wrong for me to call them whores for I do not know that they engage in actual prostitution, though most of America is fornicating like rabbits. However, they advertise in the same way that I have seen whores advertise.

I don't know that I saw your post while I was drafting mine. The posts here seem to be happening rather rapidly. However, my apologies if I got your ire up.

That would be one way to perceive it. Another way would be for women to embrace their feminine beauty and start to behave as ladies. How about a little less of the butch haircut, painted faced, tattoo showing, navel piercing, tight-pants, tight-shirts, mini-skirted attire of harlots and more of the long-haired, sweet countenance, long skirt and dresses, loose fitting blouse attire of Christian ladies?


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ah, why yes it does, doesn't it, you admit you can not control your hormones, yet you come here and tell us who has sinned and who has not, all except you of course, you haven't sinned, women have.
yep, pot calling the kettle black alright.
glad you can atleast admit that much.

 

If you had bothered to read everything I worte, you'd have seen where he thinks dressing like you have described women should not dress is disgusting to him, not attractive, and alluring, like you have said they are for you. He thinks women should put some cloths on and cover up. But you only bothered to read what you wanted too.

 

Have you ever preached against cheerleaders in football games? If yes, how did you preach it? If no, do you have a bottom-line where they will have reached the point of too little clothing and too much flesh?

 

No matter what subject it is, I just don't think that Christians (man OR woman) should knowingly tempt others to stray with items or actions that this person knowingly has sinful problems with. This clothing issue is just one subject.

1. Nobody, man or woman, should dress provocatively around the opposite sex at church. I'd be saying the same exact thing if the male stripper group the Chippendale's came to church in their stripper outfits. There's no place for anything like that at church, I don't care which sex you are.

2. Nobody should give an alcoholic a gallon of scotch.

3. Nobody should give sodas and cake to Type II diabetes sufferers.

4. You don't buy your 16 year old son a 1000cc Suzuki street bike when he's already had a wreck and 2 tickets.


If somebody has a problem with something that is generally considered bad and you knowingly provide the means for them to partake in this activity and they do it, then you're just as guilty as they are in my opinion.

 

I know exactly what you said, and that's why I said that. It's called sarcasm, which was either poorly executed in this case, or it's way over your head. Probably a little of both.

 

I sin all the time. I'll admit it. I catch myself lusting quite often... not that I'm proud of it, but that I at least own up to it, unlike sooooo many others. Everybody, including you apparently, keeps thinking that I'm trying to assign 100% of the blame on the girls. I can't speak for the other guys, but at least for me, that's not the case at all, although I still firmly believe that if they are knowingly dressing in such a manner to provoke those thoughts, they aren't exactly 100% innocent either. I don't see how anybody can say that they are.

 

that woman dressed in modest clothing, well covered is tempting to some men even if not to you. How then should that woman dress?
I certainly agree, skin tight clothing, low cut tops is wrong. you wouldn't catch me dressed like that ever.
But those women are not a temptation to all men. As I said, fr some the temptation is the women who is dressed the way you would have her dressed, modest.

It is up tho the diabetic what they eat, not you, or anyone else. Most dabetcis know what and when they can eat, and if they are going to eat a piece of cake most will adjust their diet that day to account for it.
Would you serve a diabetic a baked potato, or a dinner roll? Both so these are equally as damaging to them as soda (yuck, I hate sugar) and cake (double yuck).
If this is sin to eat these things, then would you set these types of foods (anything potato, rice, pasta, bread) out if you had 10 people over and one was a diabetic?
if they chose to eat it, even though you have provided plenty for them that si not high carb, then whose sin is it, yours for serving perfectly fine,normally healthy foods, or theres for eating it?

 

one person provoking a thought is different from another person entertainig the thought. according to scripture, you are resposnable for your personal choices, and not thinking about it is up to you.

 

Why would you feel compelled to repeat this? Who said your body is wicked?

I'm sorry if you are internalizing these things and applying them to yourself. I am not intending to slam you personally. I have some sympathy for the modesty and pants thing as it is not explicitly laid out with detailed instructions. However, generally speaking, Christian women who do things opposite to what is clearly laid out in scripture, such as voluntarily wear their hair short, demonstrates that even if the Bible said women shall wear long flowing garments and no pants...they'd probably still wear mini-skirts and pants.

"But if a woman have long hair, it is a glory to her: for her hair is given her for a covering. - 1 Corinthians 11:15​

 

If your saying it about any women who fit the bill (short hair, makeup and so on), then it is aimed at all women who wear pants and have short hair and wear makeup. When in fact you have no idea what kind of woman scarlett or any of the rest of us are, or what we look like. Yet, you amke judgements like 'they'd probably', menaing us too, including Scarlett. When in fact you really don't know.

 

Are we confusing sin with lack of comman sense? Really, it might be stupid to do these things but since when is stupidity a sin? You are leaving out intent.

If you intend to provide a friend with a meal they can enjoy, you'd merely be unwise serving them carbs and fats. If you intended to through them into a diabetic coma in the hopes that the diabetes would cause kidney or heart failure, then you are a murderer even if it didn't happen. The first scenario is not sin, the second is.

The other problem I see with this continued line of thinking is that it doesn't allow for new Christians who haven't had the time to develop convictions about different issues. You can't just toss out a set of rules and expect them to enter a person's brain by the process of osmosis. You have to give it time. And in the meantime, control and take responsibility for your own thoughts!

Donna, Scarlett, don't you know we are all just in rebellion against God and the modesty police? We should be ashamed. (sarcasm by a short haired woman wearing makeup and pants. Oh and earrings! I'm wearing earrings today!)

I'm gone unless someone addresses me directly. There are times when we have to agree to disagree. Those who feel strongly that us woman should wear long flowing dresses, no make up or jewelry, and long hair should find themselves a woman who believes the same and live happily ever after. And if they can't they should remain celebate. But, there is no man here who has authority over any woman that is not his wife or daughter and there are some here who need to realize that. Threats that God won't love us anymore or won't love us until ______ ring false when the plain truth is spelled out in Romans 5:8.

 

I don't know nor am I concerned. This medium should be about doctrine and iron sharpening iron, not our personal sensibilities and feelings. If it applies to you and hurts your feelings...change your ways.

 

maybe you should get your dctrines straight with scripture instead. It isn't your place to judge people you don't even know, nor even know anything about them.
You don't care about your own actions, you only care about blaming others.

 

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