Modesty

what in the world has short hair, make up and pants got to do with dressing nearly naked? he has said that these things(make up short hair and pants) make a woman a whore, with a wicked body.
how much more clear can I get.
i never said there was nothing wrong with looking at bodies, i challenge you to show me where i said that. you are putting words in my mouth, which means a lie.

 

So what is it that is to be covered? Is it just flesh tone? Why not just spray paint some pants on, wouldn't that be ok? I'm not sure of the current definition of naked, but I think it just requires ***a person*** to be showing ***private parts***, right? Cover those up, and ***that person is*** clothed? ***Insult removed***

 

Yes, God does care about outward things, but it is He who judges. We do not have that right. Many statements have been made on this thread and the previous modesty thread judging the salvation of others based the way a woman dresses. We do not have the right to judge the heart no matter what someone is wearing. That was my point. I don't agree with women who dress scantily or who flaunt (sp) their sexuality, but I have no right to question their salvation. That is for God alone. :saint:

 

Why does it always come down to questioning salvation? Whores cant be saved?

 

Evidently not according to the implications of some who have posted on this thread.

 

would you please prove your statement about me, just where do you see me saying something like that?
I haven't, you made it, put words in my mouth, you have lied about me.
you have to lie about people to make your point, to prove yourself correct. well when you have to lie about it your argument loses validity.

 

I'm sure there are people on this board that believe you have to work for your salvation, and sure they could lump dress in there with it. But I think you ought to work after you are saved. It is wrong to say that we will not be judged based on the way we dress. We will be judged for every idle word we speak, why would the way we dress be exempted?

 

my standards, your questioning my standards when you lie about me, what standards do you have***insult removed***.

 

I don't know what you are talking about, donnA. You accused Rufus of saying you had a wicked body. I don't think he ever said that. I think what he said was displaying your body was wicked. I was trying to figure out what it is you think that God is trying to hide when He put clothes on Adam and Eve. I didn't say you said anything, and I didn't lie or put words in your mouth.

 

Please provide scripture for God's judgment on clothing.

 

1 Timothy 2:9 In like manner also, that women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with shamefacedness and sobriety; not with braided hair, or gold, or pearls, or costly array.

Revelation 16:15 Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.

Matthew 22:11-13
11 And when the king came in to see the guests, he saw there a man which had not on a wedding garment:
12 And he saith unto him, Friend, how camest thou in hither not having a wedding garment? And he was speechless.
13 Then said the king to the servants, Bind him hand and foot, and take him away, and cast him into outer darkness; there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

God cares about what we wear.

 

This is the quote regarding wicked things.

 

I know what she was referring to. He didn't say their bodies were wicked. Women displaying their bodies in an inappropriate manner is. If bodies were wicked, we wouldn't be allowed to have them. But God requires them to be clothed, and clothed to His standard. Adam and Eve had made themselves aprons of fig leaves, but God did not consider them clothed until He made them coats of skins.

 

James, 1 Tim is referring to weathly women flaunting their wealth. It's not about clothing styles. You have taken this out of context.
The other 2 scriptures have nothing to do with actual earthly clothing. You are way off base on those.
God doesn't care what we wear. But, He does care if we don't wear enough. We all agree on that. The problem I have is judgmental people. We do not have that right. And that is VERY scriptural.

 

Then what is the attire of an harlot?

Proverbs 7:10 And, behold, there met him a woman with the attire of a harlot, and subtle of heart.

Can it be worn by a Christian woman?

 

Why would it be included?

I can think of several scriptures that warn us about our tongues, including a certain commandment (thou shalt not bear false witness). I can't think of any scriptures that warn us to cover our bodies or tell us how much to cover. I am in agreement with Amy that the Timothy passage is refering to extravagent clothing worn by the ruling class of Rome.(or clothing worn to elevate ones status above other Christians if you prefer)

As far as Adam and Eve not being properly clothed until God made them coats of animal skins, I think there are other things at play in His decision. First and simply, how long do you think those fig leaves were going to last? So the first problem was durability. The Bible doesn't tell us that the fig leaves didn't cover them, just that it wasn't good enough.

Then too, God shedding the blood of the animals pointed to Christ shedding His blood for our sins. This, imo, was God's greatest reason for making them coats. He "covered" their sins (and literally their bodies) by shedding the blood of an animal, looking forward to the time when Christ would finish their salvation.

No where in these passages do I get any sense that we will be judged on our clothing styles.

 

I don't know what the attire of a harlot was at the time. I suppose now days it would something very revealing and they would wear a lot of makeup, but I'm just going by what I've seen on tv as I haven't actually met a harlot in real life that I know of. But, wearing that type of clothing does not mean that she's a harlot. That's where the judging comes in. Dressing that way is poor judgment on her part, but you are making assumptions when you say she IS a harlot.
Just for the record, I believe a woman should dress modestly. I know that men are stimulated visually, therefore I'm very careful not to wear anything that might cause my brother to stumble. We are in total agreement on the modesty issue. My point was that we don't have the right to judge someone's heart because of the way they dress. The Lord makes this very clear. I can disapprove of the way a woman dresses without judging her salvation. I don't want to argue with you because I think we believe the same thing.:saint:

 

You really can't find any scripture that says to cover your nakedness?

 

Does "turn the other cheek" count?

Sorry...ya'll get back to your fight. I have the spiritual gift of sarcasm, and I'm off my meds tonight...

 

Were not talking about nakedness. We talking about whether we will be judged based on the design of our clothing. Please stay on topic.

rbell: :laugh: :laugh: