Modesty

[Salamander]

"Christian" men and women today have no sense of modesty. In fact, the "Christian" men and women wear the same thing to church that they wear at home. I can't walk in my Baptist church without seeing someone's bare back, bare shoulders, half-bare breasts, low cut shorts, open-toed shoes, tight pants, skirts, dresses, slacks, etc., and you get my drift. What ever happened to the women wearing the skirts and dresses and the men wearing the pants? Today, most of the women wear the pants (literally) and the sodomites are trying to get it approved (some states have) for them to wear dresses and skirts. The teenage boys think that they are a hot mess coming to church in their latest style of shorts and Ta's with the flip flops and all. The teenage girls are there dressed like whores from Bourbon street. Where is God in any of this?

Do you really want to know the sad part? It's the people that call themselves "Christians" and part of the family of God that are doing this. I don't care what kind of "relationship" you have with God, but the God out of the King James Bible would not allow a women to be dressed in none other than a skirt and a free-flowing "modest" shirt or dress and the man in pants and a "modest" shirt.

Can any of you (with Biblical scripture, King James that is) tell me why God would allow His people to dress the same way the whores do and the men dress like the women and women dress like the men?

If so, please entertain me.

Sure Isaiah 4 :laugh: NOT! They want the name but will wear their own apparel.

 

[Salamander]

Christian men need to learn self control, it is one of the fruit of the spirit.
Women should not expose their breasts. But when a man looks close enough to see a contour under a womans clothes, he's looking too close. He's got some praying to do.

A Christian woman needs to learn self-control./ When she looks at a man to see if he might have alot of money so she can get ahold of it somehow, someway, she's loking too close and needs to do alot of praying.:laugh:

 

[ccrobinson]

Neither is a conviction like this biblical (as in no verses to support his whole conviction)and should not be treated as such.

I'm only referring to the "I wear my best to church" part, which I see as a personal conviction and nothing more. Much of the rest of what he's saying, like the "committing adultery with her" part for example, is nonsense.

Saying others must follow his own conviction is legalism. Each person has his own convictions from God, what would happen if we all tried to make others follow our own convictions?

Agreed. I hope that I'm not coming across as saying that I think everybody should follow my own personal conviction as though it were a commandment. I don't believe any such thing.

 

[Salamander]

Go entertain yourself. Your false doctrine is clouding your judgment...

Why is it the KJVOs are always the most hateful people in Christianity.

I feel so warm and fuzzy inside!

Letting people in on thre truth of God's word is now considered "hateful" by the liberals? Since when? Like the beginning of time or something?:godisgood:

 

[donnA]

Whats sad is,, in this post quoted above he is calling into question every one on this board who in anyway disagrees with him. Like if you do not buy and wear a seperate waredrobe to church, theys only for church.
If you wear flip flops, your not christian
If you wear open toes shoes, your not a christian
If a woman wears pants, she's not a christian
If a woman isn't wearing free flowing ankle length skirts and dress, and free flowing blouses, they aren't christians.

This posted has questioned the salvation of nearly the whole board.

 

[donnA]

A Christian woman needs to learn self-control./ When she looks at a man to see if he might have alot of money so she can get ahold of it somehow, someway, she's loking too close and needs to do alot of praying.:laugh:

Say what?
What has that got to do with this topic.

 

[donnA]

I feel so warm and fuzzy inside!

Letting people in on thre truth of God's word is now considered "hateful" by the liberals? Since when? Like the beginning of time or something?:godisgood:

Really, which part of challenging the salvation of nearly the entire board is truthful?
He is adding to scripture, as if what it really says isn't good enough it doesn't meet his standards.

 

[Salamander]

You don't wear to church what you would wear at home. By doing so, you're saying that your home and your daily activities is just as important as God's House and worshiping Him.

I'm sorry, should what we do every day glorify Him and be as important as church?

So there should be a "church" me and "home" me?

The "church me" is dedicated to dress modestly and appropiately as a man of God preaching and teaching those who the Lord has placed under my instruction to live holy and without blame and remain unspotted from the world.

The "at home me" is very likely within the privacy of my home to walk around naked when no one else is around.

So by that estimation there is a difference.

 

[donnA]

I'm only referring to the "I wear my best to church" part, which I see as a personal conviction and nothing more. Much of the rest of what he's saying, like the "committing adultery with her" part for example, is nonsense.



Agreed. I hope that I'm not coming across as saying that I think everybody should follow my own personal conviction as though it were a commandment. I don't believe any such thing.

I wasn't accusing you of anything, sorry if I didn't say what I meant clearly. I think if great in my mind, it doesn't always come out that way in writting.
My appologies.

 

[donnA]

The "church me" is dedicated to dress modestly and appropiately as a man of God preaching and teaching those who the Lord has placed under my instruction to live holy and without blame and remain unspotted from the world.

The "at home me" is very likely within the privacy of my home to walk around naked when no one else is around.

So by that estimation there is a difference.

I think this is an extreme that the poster you quoted did not intend, nor did it sound like it. Nudity, as in no clothing at all, is not the topic.






Edited to correct a technical problem which resulted in it looking like a poster said something he did not say.

 

[tinytim]

Donna and MK and Annsni>.. you go girls!!!

You Rock!!!

I am in your corner... and have not had the time to respond much.. but know that I am cheering you on...

Legalism needs to be fought tooth and nail...

Grace robbers need silenced.

 

[Salamander]

Really, which part of challenging the salvation of nearly the entire board is truthful?
He is adding to scripture, as if what it really says isn't good enough it doesn't meet his standards.

I haven't read where he judged anyone. But I do see where TT judged every "KJVO".

When my salvation is ever challenged, I remind the devil of his future and where the Lord saved me and forgave my past.

I even had to remind my pastor of those two particular things one time when he thought I said something about him. What I said was a general statement. I am sure man enough to call things like they are and not try to hide behind hypocrisy.

Recently I read this: The smallest thing people try to hide behind is a hypocrite.

 

[tinytim]

I Didn't say that KJVOs were unsaved... I said that most that come onto this board and start firing away at people are hateful!

And I will say it again...

I know some very nice KJVOs.. but most of the ones on this board are hateful (there are exceptions though... hence the word "MOSt")

 

[Salamander]

Donna and MK>.. you go girls!!!

You Rock!!!

objectionable and offensive language need not be posted

Legalism
needs to be fought tooth and nail...

Grace robbers need silenced.

Grace is the power to do God's will and not permission
to live ungodly.

 

[Salamander]

I Didn't say that KJVOs were unsaved... I said that most that come onto this board and start firing away at people are hateful!

And I will say it again...

I know some very nice KJVOs.. but most of the ones on this board are hateful (there are exceptions though... hence the word "MOSt")

I must be the "exception":laugh:

But at least you changed your words to form a defense of some sort.

The following is what you said.

Why is it the KJVOs are always the most hateful people in Christianity.

If I dress like a "slut", does that make me a slut? No. But it does mean that some one might think I am a slut. So I am faced with a decision: to cause people to think what I already know I am, or let them think something of me that brings a reproach on my Lord.

Rocket Science, ain't it!

 

[ccrobinson]

No worries, donna! :wavey:

 

[Salamander]

God doesn't tell us His standard on a slit in the skirt. I've seen some way up the thigh, and as the ones I wear which are fro my ankle to below my knee. So whats God's standard on that, what scripture is there that mentions this(the slit in my skirt). Scripture tells us very little about what we should be wearing.

Isaiah 47:2

 

[Salamander]

What worldly desires am I splitting hairs over so I can do as I please? Since you said this, you need to be specific.
A leagalist is one who tells others what they should do to gain God's grace. We've had a lot of them here in the past.
I said nothing legalistic. I asked for scripture to support your statement.

That statement is not exactly true.

I have never seen anyone claim they gained any grace from God because they obeyed Him from the heart and tried to line up with His expectation of His children to be holy.

I can receive favor from God for obedience, but not grace from being obedient.

Grace empowers, not grants permissiveness to sin or dance with sin.

Grace is not favor. Grace is the allowance and power to serve the Lord although we deserve everlasting punishment for our sin.

No where is legalism found in the confines of doing what it takes to find favor with God or as if grace can be merited by our works.

Making the "legalist!" accusation is unwarranted at best.

 

[nunatak]

I can receive favor from God for obedience, but not grace from being obedient.

This is an interesting concept, one I have not heard.

I have always had the mindset that regardless of all I do, I am still an unprofitable servant. All of my righteousnesses are as filty rags. I am altogether unclean.

If you are correct, then my "obedience" merits favor. Favor for what? For God to do what? To give me what? Anything?

If I am correct, then I and my "obedience" is not the focus anyway. Christ is. He is my focus. Christ is my obedience. My hope. My joy. Solace. Comfort. Peace. Joy. Christ is my today, and my tomorrow. He is all in all. My obedience, imo, is relevant only as I obey in Christ.

 

[donnA]

I haven't read where he judged anyone. But I do see where TT judged every "KJVO".

When my salvation is ever challenged, I remind the devil of his future and where the Lord saved me and forgave my past.

I even had to remind my pastor of those two particular things one time when he thought I said something about him. What I said was a general statement. I am sure man enough to call things like they are and not try to hide behind hypocrisy.

Recently I read this: The smallest thing people try to hide behind is a hypocrite.

Then go back and read it again.
"christian" is assuming these people, "christian" are christian in name only, and are not christians. So are those people, the ones who can not afford seperate sets of clothing, who wear sandles, or women who do not wear ankel length long and flowing clothing, even if the clothing they are wearing is not showing off their body.
yep, go read t again.
you might remind the devil, and act as if it means nothing a poster doing this, but let me remind you, it is against BB rules.