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Mohler: The Cain Mutiny — Character Doesn’t End at the Bedroom Door

Ruiz

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BTW, the major issue Mohler focuses upon, is that the Cain campaign is saying that a private moral issue is not important enough to talk about during a campaign.
 

blackbird

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Good article, Ruiz!!! I believe that Dr. Mohler makes a point(though hapless) that Americans "know better" than to receive the attorney's statement in defense of Cain

We live in a worldly society that cannot distinquish their "right hand from their left" with an acceptance that says

Well---FDR did it and got away with it

Well---JFK did it and got away with it

Well---Bill Clinton did it and got away with it(a "weenie" Congress too cowardly to press forward with impeachment proceedings---a Congress that is too weak and with no backbone and no guts to stand up for what is morally right)

And if they made it in the White House whos to say our man(Cain) shouldn't???(public still speaking to themselves here in this sentence)

---------God help us!!!:tonofbricks::tonofbricks: He'll get in the White House in spite of adulterous "skid marks" all over the place---it has become "The American Way":tear::tear:
 

Mexdeaf

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I have a different take on this but I know it won't be popular. It goes kind of like this- let him who is without sin cast the first stone.
 

annsni

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I have a different take on this but I know it won't be popular. It goes kind of like this- let him who is without sin cast the first stone.

So that means those of us who have been chaste through our pre-marriage time and faithful in marriage can go to town??

See, I believe if you are going to say that you stand for a certain standard, you must have either lived that standard or else be truthful, confess and face the consequences. To think that cheating on your spouse for 13 years won't bite you in the rear at some point is pretty dumb.
 

targus

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I guess that I missed something.

Has it been proven that Cain is guilty of anything?

To my knowledge it is still just all accusations.
 

annsni

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I guess that I missed something.

Has it been proven that Cain is guilty of anything?

To my knowledge it is still just all accusations.

But the issue is that the lawyer is saying "What matters in the bedroom is not the public's business." It is absolutely the public's right to know if this affair truly happened (and any other sexual misconduct) in the life of a politician - especially one who stands for conservative values. Now, Cain can deny it and prove it's wrong and that's fine but for his camp to say "it doesn't matter" is a huge misstep because it DOES matter. In a big way because it speaks to the character of a person.
 

targus

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But the issue is that the lawyer is saying "What matters in the bedroom is not the public's business." It is absolutely the public's right to know if this affair truly happened (and any other sexual misconduct) in the life of a politician - especially one who stands for conservative values. Now, Cain can deny it and prove it's wrong and that's fine but for his camp to say "it doesn't matter" is a huge misstep because it DOES matter. In a big way because it speaks to the character of a person.

Cain's lawyer said that it is none of the public's business.

What is missing is the link that shows that this is Cain's opinion too - and not just his lawyer's opinion.

Clients don't really control what their lawyers say.
 

InTheLight

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I guess that I missed something.

Has it been proven that Cain is guilty of anything?

To my knowledge it is still just all accusations.

A woman claimed to have an affair with Cain for over 13 years. She produced her cell phone records showing 63 connections with a phone number that belongs to Herman Cain. Cain has directly denied it was a s*xual relationship but Cain's attorney has not.

Technically, it's only accusations but Cain announced he is "reassessing his candidacy".
 

Salty

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Well---Bill Clinton did it and got away with it(a "weenie" Congress too cowardly to press forward with impeachment proceedings---a Congress that is too weak and with no backbone and no guts to stand up for what is morally right)

Actually Congress DID impeach Clinton, but the Senate was too "weenie" to convict
 

targus

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A woman claimed to have an affair with Cain for over 13 years. She produced her cell phone records showing 63 connections with a phone number that belongs to Herman Cain. Cain has directly denied it was a s*xual relationship but Cain's attorney has not.

Technically, it's only accusations but Cain announced he is "reassessing his candidacy".

Cain said that she was a friend. Cell phone calls between friends is not unusual.

Cain has denied that there was an affair.

I am not surprised that he is reassessing his candidacy since he has been torpedoed by the media.

If he feels that he no longer has a chance of winning the nomination why spin his wheels?
 

InTheLight

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Cain said that she was a friend. Cell phone calls between friends is not unusual.

Cell phone calls from a married man to a woman who is not his wife at 4:26 in the morning are unusual.

I am not surprised that he is reassessing his candidacy since he has been torpedoed by the media.

He is being torpedoed by his accusers. The media is reporting their accusations.

If he feels that he no longer has a chance of winning the nomination why spin his wheels?

There are conflicting reports as to why he is reassessing his campaign.
 

Mexdeaf

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Cell phone calls from a married man to a woman who is not his wife at 4:26 in the morning are unusual.

Perhaps in YOUR world. I awake at 4 a.m. some days and have text messages from deaf members of our church that I respond to at that time. No hanky-panky going on.

A little peep into the background of this lady shows she is no charm school grad, just as the previous accusers were.

HC just sent out some FB messages saying he is NOT quitting- evaluation happens in all campaigns. Perhaps he is finally going to fight back and sue some of the accusers.
 

Scarlett O.

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I have a different take on this but I know it won't be popular. It goes kind of like this- let him who is without sin cast the first stone.

I like Herman Cain. Alot! But let's take him off the table for a moment and speak in hypotheticals pertaining to your quote here.

If a hypothetical person is running for president, then what you are saying is that his moral behavior cannot be evaluated or considered because the general populace who votes for him (or her) is immoral, themselves.

The blind leading the blind so to speak.

Don't you think that's all the more reason to choose someone to be president who has great personal integrity and a moral code that rises above the immoral populace?

I do. I really do - even though its quite difficult to find someone who has a personal life above reproach. We should strive for putting people in office who can lead us properly.

Dr. Steven Bonata (sp?) believes that there is a strong connection between freedom and morality. I agree with him. What do you think?




....Morality: Indispensable to Liberty

We must understand how crucial morality is to the survival of American liberty. We must not suppose that liberty can be sustained merely by tinkering with the formula for government, until we achieve some idealistic libertarian minimum. There are those who object to what used to be called “sumptuary laws,” that is, laws restricting vice. We are sometimes told that private acts between consenting adults have no bearing on the common weal, and should not be the objects of legislation. While the Constitution does not authorize the federal government to “legislate morality,” so to speak, there is certainly broad legal latitude, and a compelling interest, for state and local governments to do so.

The point that those who object to sumptuary laws never seem to comprehend is that people consumed by vice — whether drugs, pornography, or what have you — are the enemies of freedom whether they realize it or not. In the first place, vice seldom confines itself to the purely personal and private, as anyone who has been victimized by a drunken driver or an abusive relative can attest. And because private vice generally encourages public criminality, it also creates a demand for more and more government controls. Paradoxical though it may seem, legally discouraging vice actually enhances freedom in the long run, rather than suppresses it. As Edmund Burke famously observed, “Men are qualified for civil liberty in exact proportion to their disposition to put moral chains on their own appetites. Society cannot exist unless a controlling power upon will and appetite be placed somewhere, and the less of it there is within, the more there is without.


It is ordained in the eternal constitution of things that men of intemperate minds cannot be free. Their passions forge their fetters.” What’s more, as the Romans discovered, a morally depraved populace is a spawning ground for subversives, revolutionaries, and conspirators, who will eventually wrest from the citizens the destiny of their state.

The primary responsibility for maintaining our moral standards rests not in the public but in the private domain — in our homes, in our churches, in our civic organizations, and, perhaps most critically, in our own hearts.
 
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Mexdeaf

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I think Herman Cain scares a lot of people because he is out of the beltway, he isn't afraid to say what he thinks, and many average Joe and Jane Americans are supporting his candidacy so the powers that be are willing to do anything to destroy his candidacy. I believe that they are afraid to have his accomplishments in life compared to Obama's, or to have him debate Obama.

Gloria Cain does not strike me as the kind of woman who would be ignorant of nor put up with an affair just to be politically expedient ala another former president's wife.

I'm standing by the man. If the lady can produce records, pictures, etc. let her do so- certainly she has evidence if anything occurred. Until then it is her claims against his and I prefer to believe him until he gives me cause not to do so.
 

blackbird

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I think Herman Cain scares a lot of people because he is out of the beltway, he isn't afraid to say what he thinks, and many average Joe and Jane Americans are supporting his candidacy so the powers that be are willing to do anything to destroy his candidacy. I believe that they are afraid to have his accomplishments in life compared to Obama's, or to have him debate Obama.

Gloria Cain does not strike me as the kind of woman who would be ignorant of nor put up with an affair just to be politically expedient ala another former president's wife.

I'm standing by the man. If the lady can produce records, pictures, etc. let her do so- certainly she has evidence if anything occurred. Until then it is her claims against his and I prefer to believe him until he gives me cause not to do so.

What the media wants is the "damning evidence"---is that what they're hunting for???? I mean, why would the media even WASTE their time(into the millions of $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$'s) and ours just to produce one of the "his word verses her word" thing?????
 

Mexdeaf

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What the media wants is the "damning evidence"---is that what they're hunting for???? I mean, why would the media even WASTE their time(into the millions of $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$'s) and ours just to produce one of the "his word verses her word" thing?????

Because it sells, because they love creating the news instead of reporting it, because they are, above all, liberals to whom the word 'truth' means nothing.
 

blackbird

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There's a saloon scene from the movie "Outlaw Jose Wells" in which Jose has one of the men cornered in the saloon and says

Next time you hang a man--------make sure you do it with a new rope!!!


If the media is out to hang Cain----they need a new rope!!(pun intended here) Not just a her word vs his word thing
 

InTheLight

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I'm standing by the man. If the lady can produce records, pictures, etc. let her do so- certainly she has evidence if anything occurred. Until then it is her claims against his and I prefer to believe him until he gives me cause not to do so.

She claims that Cain flew her around the country to meet up with him where he was giving speeches and that he lavished her with gifts. OK, there must be airline records, hotel receipts, photographs, etc. Suppose that she produces these records. Suppose she produces photographs of her with Cain in various settings around the U.S. Suppose she's got love letters. Would that be sufficient proof?

I'm still on the fence. I want to believe him but I'm having a hard time giving him the benefit of the doubt.

(BTW, why is that most of these accusers are penniless out of work people? Hmmmm??...)
 
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