Monergism

[Yeshua1]

Jesus Christ is the Gospel.

Paul who wrote your motto, was not saved by faith alone. He had no faith at all. In fact he was out killing Christians. He was in blasphemy 1 timothy1.

Acts 9 “Saul, Saul, why are you persecuting Me?”

This is where Jesus saves Paul. Paul was not doing good works. Paul did not have faith. Paul was not reborn. Paul did not have the holy spirit.

Paul is disqualified in every conceivable way of receiving salvation.


1 timothy 1

15It is a trustworthy statement, deserving full acceptance, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners, among whom I am foremost of all. 16Yet for this reason I found mercy, so that in me as the foremost, Jesus Christ might demonstrate His perfect patience as an example for those who would believe in Him for eternal life.


Paul is example of Jesus' PERFECT PATIENCE.

We are even told Jesus' motivation to help Paul was because Paul was evil. Rather then because he did anything right, or had a faithful status.

13even though I was formerly a blasphemer and a persecutor and a violent aggressor. Yet I was shown mercy because I acted ignorantly in unbelief;


Jesus Christ is Kind, Loving and Merciful go figure.


1 timothy 1
5But the goal of our instruction is love from a pure heart and a good conscience and a sincere faith.

Paul stated that ALL we need top do is receive Jesus by faith to get saved, do you believe Paul?

 

[utilyan]

So when do we ge the sin nature then? Are we born without it, andthen get it once we in? And how do we get saved then?.

When dos a atholic know they have been saved and have etrnal life and now go to heaven?

Suppose you had a box, If you look inside the box it tells you that you are saved and have eternal life.

If I have to CHECK the box, I am already sinning not trusting, not having faith in God.

Salvation is not the priority. When God commands I don't say well does this command give me anything?

God can command of me something that spells out certain doom and I'm going to do it because he said do it.

I'm not worried about whether I get salvation or not, I concentrate on doing what God says to do.



Original sin, we say one is dung covered snow rather then snow covered dung.


We say your good covered by evil that is cleansed off by Jesus. Rather then your evil given a good T-shirt/name tag and just passed for good.

"And how do we get saved then?."

Jesus Christ gives the PERFECT answer to that question.

Luke 10

25And a lawyer stood up and put Him to the test, saying, “Teacher, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?” 26And He said to him, “What is written in the Law? How does it read to you?” 27And he answered, “YOU SHALL LOVE THE LORD YOUR GOD WITH ALL YOUR HEART, AND WITH ALL YOUR SOUL, AND WITH ALL YOUR STRENGTH, AND WITH ALL YOUR MIND; AND YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF.” 28And He said to him, “You have answered correctly; DO THIS AND YOU WILL LIVE.”

Notice the Lawyer is not born again or saved, Jesus is telling him how to get there.

Then the Lawyer pushes for Limited Atonement, Only qualified elect are neighbors.

And Jesus destroys it with Good Samaritan.


Only someone who needs a license to sin, that is a he has a sin he doesn't want to get rid of, will undermine Jesus Christ here and hop to twisted version of Romans.

Pretend the gospel is not found in the gospels. Its why its called the gospels!


People try to hide what Jesus says to do with who he is and what you are.

 

[Yeshua1]

Suppose you had a box, If you look inside the box it tells you that you are saved and have eternal life.

If I have to CHECK the box, I am already sinning not trusting, not having faith in God.

Salvation is not the priority. When God commands I don't say well does this command give me anything?

God can command of me something that spells out certain doom and I'm going to do it because he said do it.

I'm not worried about whether I get salvation or not, I concentrate on doing what God says to do.



Original sin, we say one is dung covered snow rather then snow covered dung.


We say your good covered by evil that is cleansed off by Jesus. Rather then your evil given a good T-shirt/name tag and just passed for good.

"And how do we get saved then?."

Jesus Christ gives the PERFECT answer to that question.

Luke 10

25And a lawyer stood up and put Him to the test, saying, “Teacher, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?” 26And He said to him, “What is written in the Law? How does it read to you?” 27And he answered, “YOU SHALL LOVE THE LORD YOUR GOD WITH ALL YOUR HEART, AND WITH ALL YOUR SOUL, AND WITH ALL YOUR STRENGTH, AND WITH ALL YOUR MIND; AND YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF.” 28And He said to him, “You have answered correctly; DO THIS AND YOU WILL LIVE.”

Notice the Lawyer is not born again or saved, Jesus is telling him how to get there.

Then the Lawyer pushes for Limited Atonement, Only qualified elect are neighbors.

And Jesus destroys it with Good Samaritan.


Only someone who needs a license to sin, that is a he has a sin he doesn't want to get rid of, will undermine Jesus Christ here and hop to twisted version of Romans.

Pretend the gospel is not found in the gospels. Its why its called the gospels!


People try to hide what Jesus says to do with who he is and what you are.

What do we have to do in order to know that right now are saved/have eternal life?

 

[utilyan]

Paul stated that ALL we need top do is receive Jesus by faith to get saved, do you believe Paul?

Sure I believe Paul.

Listen to yourself. "All we need to DO."


You need to clear up what you mean by saved vs justified.

One can argue you were justified declared elect at the foundation. And if you think both mean the same thing, Then there is nothing you can DO nor RECIEVE to be saved because you were never in a unjustified condition.

Jesus Christ said your justified by what you say:

Matthew 12
37“For by your words you will be justified, and by your words you will be condemned.”


Jesus Christ says Love God and Love neighbor gets you to salvation.

He doesn't say salvation gets you love God and Love neighbor, that would be backwards.

Do you believe Jesus? or do you believe BACKWARDS?

 

[utilyan]

What do we have to do in order to know that right now are saved/have eternal life?

Luke 10

25And a lawyer stood up and put Him to the test, saying, “Teacher, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?” 26And He said to him, “What is written in the Law? How does it read to you?” 27And he answered, “YOU SHALL LOVE THE LORD YOUR GOD WITH ALL YOUR HEART, AND WITH ALL YOUR SOUL, AND WITH ALL YOUR STRENGTH, AND WITH ALL YOUR MIND; AND YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF.” 28And He said to him, “You have answered correctly; DO THIS AND YOU WILL LIVE.”

Do you believe Jesus Christ?

 

[Yeshua1]

Luke 10

25And a lawyer stood up and put Him to the test, saying, “Teacher, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?” 26And He said to him, “What is written in the Law? How does it read to you?” 27And he answered, “YOU SHALL LOVE THE LORD YOUR GOD WITH ALL YOUR HEART, AND WITH ALL YOUR SOUL, AND WITH ALL YOUR STRENGTH, AND WITH ALL YOUR MIND; AND YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF.” 28And He said to him, “You have answered correctly; DO THIS AND YOU WILL LIVE.”

Do you believe Jesus Christ?

That is an answer to one trusting to save Himself by good works!
Biblical answer is to receive Jesus by faith , and to rely JUST upon Him to save you!

 

[Yeshua1]

Sure I believe Paul.

Listen to yourself. "All we need to DO."


You need to clear up what you mean by saved vs justified.

One can argue you were justified declared elect at the foundation. And if you think both mean the same thing, Then there is nothing you can DO nor RECIEVE to be saved because you were never in a unjustified condition.

Jesus Christ said your justified by what you say:

Matthew 12
37“For by your words you will be justified, and by your words you will be condemned.”


Jesus Christ says Love God and Love neighbor gets you to salvation.

He doesn't say salvation gets you love God and Love neighbor, that would be backwards.

Do you believe Jesus? or do you believe BACKWARDS?

Rebirth happens when we get Justified, when we receive Jesus by faith , not ewe get Baptized or anything other!

 

[kyredneck]

If you believe in Arminianism, just go for it! Be a proud synergist!

Spot on!

 

[utilyan]

That is an answer to one trusting to save Himself by good works!
Biblical answer is to receive Jesus by faith , and to rely JUST upon Him to save you!

Oh so you don't believe Jesus?

I believe the way JESUS CHRIST SAYS! not the way Satan says.


I didn't say a word just what Jesus says. And look how you turn it down.


Luke 10

25And a lawyer stood up and put Him to the test, saying, “Teacher, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?” 26And He said to him, “What is written in the Law? How does it read to you?” 27And he answered, “YOU SHALL LOVE THE LORD YOUR GOD WITH ALL YOUR HEART, AND WITH ALL YOUR SOUL, AND WITH ALL YOUR STRENGTH, AND WITH ALL YOUR MIND; AND YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF.” 28And He said to him, “You have answered correctly; DO THIS AND YOU WILL LIVE.”

Do you believe Jesus Christ?

 

[MB]

No He cannot, as sinners cannot freely choice to be saved based upon their sin natures!

Son that eliminate Catholic views on salvation also!

Show scripture that tells us why you believe as you do/
MB

 

[MB]

No, just that a Siner NEVER will be able to stop sinning by being taught, as they need to have the Holy Spirit and a new nature within them to help them do that.

Have you ever known anyone who doesn't sin any longer?

And the ONLY one that controls sinners like a puppet master is satan, as those lost are right now under his Domenion!

So in your view you believe that the devil made them sin. How convenient. The devil made them do it . If the devil make us sin then why are we held responsible?
MB

 

[MB]

No , just that there are things cannot do, as that would violate His very nature, so he cannot save a sinner apart from the Cross of Christ and His election based upon His own free will!

Scripture please?
MB

 

[Yeshua1]

Have you ever known anyone who doesn't sin any longer?



So in your view you believe that the devil made them sin. How convenient. The devil made them do it . If the devil make us sin then why are we held responsible?
MB

They sin due to their very natures, ad als t choices!
All outside of Christ under Dimenion of Satan, just blind to ta truth!

 

[Yeshua1]

Scripture please?
MB

Jesus came unto His own, they choose to remain in darkness and avoid Hislight!

ONLY those whom the Father gave to Jesus to be savd were the ones that came unto HIm to get saved!

Natural, unsaved sinners, cannot discern spiritual trut, they are blind to it!

 

[MB]

Jesus came unto His own, they choose to remain in darkness and avoid Hislight!

ONLY those whom the Father gave to Jesus to be savd were the ones that came unto HIm to get saved!

Natural, unsaved sinners, cannot discern spiritual trut, they are blind to it!

Do you really believe that verse has any thing to do with what you claim.
Jesus came to His own and they rejected Him. What you didn't know is the Jews at that time were the only elect and they chose to go there own way. Imagine that the very elect shown by you to actually have a choice.
MB

 

[Yeshua1]

Do you really believe that verse has any thing to do with what you claim.
Jesus came to His own and they rejected Him. What you didn't know is the Jews at that time were the only elect and they chose to go there own way. Imagine that the very elect shown by you to actually have a choice.
MB

Not ALL israel though was spiritual Israel of that time, as there were only a faitful remnant chosen out by God that received Christ!

 

[Martin Marprelate]

Luke 10

25And a lawyer stood up and put Him to the test, saying, “Teacher, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?” 26And He said to him, “What is written in the Law? How does it read to you?” 27And he answered, “YOU SHALL LOVE THE LORD YOUR GOD WITH ALL YOUR HEART, AND WITH ALL YOUR SOUL, AND WITH ALL YOUR STRENGTH, AND WITH ALL YOUR MIND; AND YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF.” 28And He said to him, “You have answered correctly; DO THIS AND YOU WILL LIVE.”

Do you believe Jesus Christ?

Yes, absolutely I believe Him. Off you go, just keep those two simple commandments, constantly and perfectly, and you can barge your way into heaven, pick up your heart and play. Who needs Jesus Christ when he's like Mary Poppins, practically perfect in every way?

On the other hand you might just realise that you don't keep either of these commandments at all regularly and certainly not perfectly, and you might come to the conclusion that you need a Saviour. Which is, of course the whole purpose of the conversation and the parable that followed- to convict this lawyer (and thereby us) of his inability to keep the law and his need to trust in Christ for salvation..

 

[Yeshua1]

Oh so you don't believe Jesus?

I believe the way JESUS CHRIST SAYS! not the way Satan says.


I didn't say a word just what Jesus says. And look how you turn it down.


Luke 10

25And a lawyer stood up and put Him to the test, saying, “Teacher, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?” 26And He said to him, “What is written in the Law? How does it read to you?” 27And he answered, “YOU SHALL LOVE THE LORD YOUR GOD WITH ALL YOUR HEART, AND WITH ALL YOUR SOUL, AND WITH ALL YOUR STRENGTH, AND WITH ALL YOUR MIND; AND YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF.” 28And He said to him, “You have answered correctly; DO THIS AND YOU WILL LIVE.”

Do you believe Jesus Christ?

Yes, as he was showing to us in that passage that NONE are right enough to earn right to heaven, save for God Himself!

Jesus affirmed that he was God in those verses, and that no works can save us, as none can fully keep the Law!

 

[Yeshua1]

Yes, absolutely I believe Him. Off you go, just keep those two simple commandments, constantly and perfectly, and you can barge your way into heaven, pick up your heart and play. Who needs Jesus Christ when he's like Mary Poppins, practically perfect in every way?

On the other hand you might just realise that you don't keep either of these commandments at all regularly and certainly not perfectly, and you might come to the conclusion that you need a Saviour. Which is, of course the whole purpose of the conversation and the parable that followed- to convict this lawyer (and thereby us) of his inability to keep the law and his need to trust in Christ for salvation..

The worst part is that God demands that our very thoughts stay always pure and holy all our lives, how about trying that out?

 

[utilyan]

Yes, absolutely I believe Him. Off you go, just keep those two simple commandments, constantly and perfectly, and you can barge your way into heaven, pick up your heart and play. Who needs Jesus Christ when he's like Mary Poppins, practically perfect in every way?

On the other hand you might just realise that you don't keep either of these commandments at all regularly and certainly not perfectly, and you might come to the conclusion that you need a Saviour. Which is, of course the whole purpose of the conversation and the parable that followed- to convict this lawyer (and thereby us) of his inability to keep the law and his need to trust in Christ for salvation..

He said:
“You have answered correctly; DO THIS AND YOU WILL LIVE.”
GAME OVER.


The Good Samaritan is just icing on the cake because under your theology the Samaritan is damned and incapable, while Jesus points him as perfect example.

Jesus even says:

37And he said, “The one who showed mercy toward him.” Then Jesus said to him, “Go and do the same.”

“Go and do the same.”


Calvinist Jesus would never have said that.