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Moral Law Verses Ceremonial Law

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BobRyan

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Originally Posted by DHK
When I finally get HP to agree to the fact that "Thou shalt not covet," has "no stated penalty," attached to it, then we can take baby step #2.
For covetousness, just like any other sin, does have a penalty (though not explicitly stated in the Ten Commandments), and that is death (eternal death or separation from God for all eternity). That is the penalty for every sin, including covetousness, as stated in Romans 6:23.

This came from a discussion where I stated that the law given to Moses could be generally divided into two groups: one that had a penalty attached to it, and ones that did not have any penalty attached to it, but were in and of themselves moral truths or laws stated without penalty. The Ten Commandments are examples of such. So are the Ten summarized by Jesus: "Love the Lord thy God...", "and thy neighbor..."

That was the flip --

Here is the flop

Do you keep the Sabbath Bob, as the Jews did?
Do you put to death those in the SDA that violate it in any way?

Do you know what a Sabbath Day's journey is? Do you go farther than that? Do your members? 5/8 of a mile is not far. That is a Sabbath Day's journey.

Feel free to show just where in the 4th commandment you find "a Sabbath Day's Journey".

in Christ,

Bob
 

BobRyan

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Again - we note -

Is 66 "from Sabbath to Sabbath... shall ALL MANKIND come before Me to Worship".

Gentiles were considered part of "mankind" in the OT.

Mark 2:27 "The Sabbath was made for MANKIND"

Gentiles were considered part of "mankind" in the NT

Gen 2:1-3 God rested on the seventh-day and made it HOLY in Eden itself. Adam was not a Jew.

Is 56 has a specific blessing for gentiles who choose to worship God and honor the Creator of mankind by keeping the Lord's Holy day.
6 ""Also the FOREIGNERS who join themselves to the LORD, To minister to Him, and to love the name of the LORD, To be His servants, every one who keeps from profaning THE Sabbath And holds fast My covenant;
7 Even those I will bring to My holy mountain And make them joyful in My house of prayer. Their burnt offerings and their sacrifices will be acceptable on My altar; For My house will be called a house of prayer for ALL the PEOPLES.''

You yourself have been arguing for the Ten Commandments as the Law of God - as that which still to this day "defines sin" for the Whole World. Turns out - the 4th commandment is one of the Ten Commandments.

DHK said:
You cannot violate that on the Sabbath. That is only an example.
What tribe are you from: Benjamin? Dan? Simeon? Which one?

The Sabbath was given to the Jews, and only the Jews.
If you don't believe that then you don't believe the Scriptures which so clearly spells it out for you.

Your "either-or" logical fallacy is not as difficult for the readers to see through as you seem to imagine.

It is glaringly obvious that God DID give "MANKIND" His Sabbath as well as appointing this for the Jews -- hint Jews are "part of mankind".

Is 66 "from Sabbath to Sabbath... shall ALL MANKIND come before Me to Worship".
 

DHK

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Your "either-or" logical fallacy is not as difficult for the readers to see through as you seem to imagine.

It is glaringly obvious that God DID give "MANKIND" His Sabbath as well as appointing this for the Jews -- hint Jews are "part of mankind".

Is 66 "from Sabbath to Sabbath... shall ALL MANKIND come before Me to Worship".
Why do you avoid Exodus 31:13-18?
These verses are just too inconvenient for you aren't they Bob?
The Sabbath was given to the nation of Israel according to Ex.31.
Your unbelief is astounding here. Did you just happen to tear these verses out of your Bible?

The Scripture quoted gives no command for any Gentile believer to keep the Sabbath. There is no command there Bob.
 

BobRyan

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Why do you avoid Exodus 31:13-18?
.

Your "either-or" logical fallacy is not as difficult for the readers to see through as you seem to imagine.

It is glaringly obvious that God DID give "MANKIND" His Sabbath as well as appointing this for the Jews -- hint Jews are "part of mankind".

Is 66 "from Sabbath to Sabbath... shall ALL MANKIND come before Me to Worship".

Hint - nothing in Ex 31 says "I hereby revoke my Creation memorial Sabbath from ALL mankind - and appoint the 7th day Sabbath to Israel alone".

obviously.

Christ continues to affirm in Mark 2:27 that the Sabbath "was MADE for mankind".

And Isaiah 66 continues to affirm (long after Ex 31) that ALL mankind is to come and worship before God "From Sabbath to Sabbath"

in Christ,

Bob
 

DHK

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Your "either-or" logical fallacy is not as difficult for the readers to see through as you seem to imagine.
There is no "either-or" fallacy, except the one that you are making up.
The Sabbath was commanded only to the Jews to keep, not to any others.
It is glaringly obvious that God DID give "MANKIND" His Sabbath as well as appointing this for the Jews -- hint Jews are "part of mankind".
Your inability to comprehend these Scriptures is astounding. There is no command for anyone to keep the Sabbath but the Jews.
Is 66 "from Sabbath to Sabbath... shall ALL MANKIND come before Me to Worship".
Context is everything here. This Scripture is totally not applicable as it is in the future tense and speaks of a time to come.
Hint - nothing in Ex 31 says "I hereby revoke my Creation memorial Sabbath from ALL mankind - and appoint the 7th day Sabbath to Israel alone".
It was written to the Jews and to the Jews alone. You can't comprehend that.
Christ continues to affirm in Mark 2:27 that the Sabbath "was MADE for mankind".
And he never commanded anyone to keep it.
 

BobRyan

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Originally Posted by BobRyan
Again - we note -

Is 66 "from Sabbath to Sabbath... shall ALL MANKIND come before Me to Worship".

Gentiles were considered part of "mankind" in the OT.

Mark 2:27 "The Sabbath was made for MANKIND"

Gentiles were considered part of "mankind" in the NT

Gen 2:1-3 God rested on the seventh-day and made it HOLY in Eden itself. Adam was not a Jew.

Is 56 has a specific blessing for gentiles who choose to worship God and honor the Creator of mankind by keeping the Lord's Holy day.
6 ""Also the FOREIGNERS who join themselves to the LORD, To minister to Him, and to love the name of the LORD, To be His servants, every one who keeps from profaning THE Sabbath And holds fast My covenant;
7 Even those I will bring to My holy mountain And make them joyful in My house of prayer. Their burnt offerings and their sacrifices will be acceptable on My altar; For My house will be called a house of prayer for ALL the PEOPLES.''

You yourself have been arguing for the Ten Commandments as the Law of God - as that which still to this day "defines sin" for the Whole World. Turns out - the 4th commandment is one of the Ten Commandments.

It was written to the Jews and to the Jews alone. ...

And he never commanded anyone to keep it.

Is 66 "from Sabbath to Sabbath... shall ALL MANKIND come before Me to Worship".

Gentiles were considered part of "mankind" in the OT.

At some point in your argument "sola scriptura" has to begin to have some kind of meaning to you.

;)

Mark 2:27 "The Sabbath was made for MANKIND"

Gentiles were considered part of "mankind" in the NT

It is glaringly obvious that God DID give "MANKIND" His Sabbath as well as appointing this for the Jews -- hint Jews are "part of mankind".

DHK said:
Your inability to comprehend these Scriptures is astounding

Scripture DHK - Scripture. The objective reader instantly notices that it does not solve your problem with scripture - for you to try and blame the scripture problems in your argument "on me" as if I am the only one that notices them.

in Christ,

Bob
 
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BobRyan

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And now... "one more time" - this time with "feeling" -- ;)

Originally Posted by DHK
For covetousness, just like any other sin, does have a penalty (though not explicitly stated in the Ten Commandments), and that is death (eternal death or separation from God for all eternity). That is the penalty for every sin, including covetousness, as stated in Romans 6:23.

This came from a discussion where I stated that the law given to Moses could be generally divided into two groups: one that had a penalty attached to it, and ones that did not have any penalty attached to it, but were in and of themselves moral truths or laws stated without penalty. The Ten Commandments are examples of such. So are the Ten summarized by Jesus: "Love the Lord thy God...", "and thy neighbor..."

That was flip


here is flop



Originally Posted by DHK

The fourth Commandment is not one of God's moral laws and never has been. .


"Noticing" that inconvenient detail -- just never gets old. :applause:
 

Michaeneu

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The fourth Commandment is not one of God's moral laws and never has been.

“But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day…” Matt. 24:20

The context is of the impending destruction of Jerusalem and the concern of the Sabbath almost two score years after the cross. Imprudence over the concern of Jerusalem’s destruction regarding family, newborn infants or those still in the womb would have been mala in se or acts and omissions that are wrong in themselves—and concern over the Sabbath was regarded as bearing the same significance according to Christ. Again, we have the Sabbath or the Fourth Commandment given moral bearing almost two score years after the cross, which conflicts with any anti-Sabbath rhetoric.






 

DHK

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“But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day…” Matt. 24:20

The context is of the impending destruction of Jerusalem and the concern of the Sabbath almost two score years after the cross. Imprudence over the concern of Jerusalem’s destruction regarding family, newborn infants or those still in the womb would have been mala in se or acts and omissions that are wrong in themselves—and concern over the Sabbath was regarded as bearing the same significance according to Christ. Again, we have the Sabbath or the Fourth Commandment given moral bearing almost two score years after the cross, which conflicts with any anti-Sabbath rhetoric.
Again, Jesus audience was primarily Jewish in nature. This was in part fulfilled with the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 A.D., an entirely Jewish event--an event that made it difficult them to observe the Sabbath as the Lord had instructed them to.
 

BobRyan

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“But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day…” Matt. 24:20

The context is of the impending destruction of Jerusalem and the concern of the Sabbath almost two score years after the cross. Imprudence over the concern of Jerusalem’s destruction regarding family, newborn infants or those still in the womb would have been mala in se or acts and omissions that are wrong in themselves—and concern over the Sabbath was regarded as bearing the same significance according to Christ. Again, we have the Sabbath or the Fourth Commandment given moral bearing almost two score years after the cross, which conflicts with any anti-Sabbath rhetoric.


Indeed. "flight" from Jerusalem in a time of severe crisis such as occurred in 70 A.D with the total destruction of Jerusalem and extermination of the people inside - is hardly the time to be talking about "pray that your Passover meal is totally cleaned up and tidy" etc.

To raise Sabbath keeping to the level of importance as compared to such a crisis event - shows just how serious in God's Mind is His own Moral Law.

In Ex 20 we find the Sabbath commandment and LONG after Ex 31 we find these statements affirming the fact that the 10-Commandment-Sabbath memorial of Creation of the world - is considered by God to be "for mankind".

Is 66 "from Sabbath to Sabbath... shall ALL MANKIND come before Me to Worship".

Gentiles were considered part of "mankind" in the OT.

Mark 2:27 "The Sabbath was made for MANKIND"

Gentiles were considered part of "mankind" in the NT

Gen 2:1-3 God rested on the seventh-day and made it HOLY in Eden itself. Adam was not a Jew.

Is 56 has a specific blessing for gentiles who choose to worship God and honor the Creator of mankind by keeping the Lord's Holy day.
6 ""Also the FOREIGNERS who join themselves to the LORD, To minister to Him, and to love the name of the LORD, To be His servants, every one who keeps from profaning THE Sabbath And holds fast My covenant;
7 Even those I will bring to My holy mountain And make them joyful in My house of prayer. Their burnt offerings and their sacrifices will be acceptable on My altar; For My house will be called a house of prayer for ALL the PEOPLES.''

You yourself have been arguing for the Ten Commandments as the Law of God - as that which still to this day "defines sin" for the Whole World. Turns out - the 4th commandment is one of the Ten Commandments.

in Christ,

Bob
 
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DHK

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Bob still avoids Exodus 31:13-18 like the plague. He won't touch it.

Concerning the 4th commandment as part of the moral law, isn't it interesting how in different nations, such as Africa and South America, these peoples that have not heard the gospel before "do by nature the things contained in the law," (the other nine commandments), but not one of them keep the Sabbath "according to their nature" or according to that which is written on their hearts. Neither do their "consciences condemn them" when they do not observe the Sabbath.

There is a conclusion to be drawn from this. The 4th commandment is not part of God's moral law.
 

BobRyan

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Bob still avoids Exodus 31:13-18 like the plague. He won't touch it.

In Ex 20 we find the Sabbath commandment and LONG after Ex 31 we find these statements affirming the fact that the 10-Commandment-Sabbath memorial of Creation of the world - is considered by God to be "for mankind". Thus exegesis of the context for this idea in scripture - flattens the DHK proposal before it ever gets off the ground.

What we have is the "both and" solution instead of the "either-or" logical fallacy DHK provides where we EITHER accept the Ex 31 promise to the Jews regarding the creation of MANKIND and the memorial of the Creation of the EARTH - OR we accept the other Bible text telling us that God's memorial of HIS work in creating all of mankind and all of life on earth - is a memorial "FOR mankind".

Rather than the transparently flawed "either or" fallacy that DHK recommends to the reader - we find the "both-AND" solution to be biblically sustained.

in Christ,

Bob
 

DHK

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In Ex 20 we find the Sabbath commandment and LONG after Ex 31 we find these statements affirming the fact that the 10-Commandment-Sabbath memorial of Creation of the world - is considered by God to be "for mankind". Thus exegesis of the context for this idea in scripture - flattens the DHK proposal before it ever gets off the ground.

What we have is the "both and" solution instead of the "either-or" logical fallacy DHK provides where we EITHER accept the Ex 31 promise to the Jews regarding the creation of MANKIND and the memorial of the Creation of the EARTH - OR we accept the other Bible text telling us that God's memorial of HIS work in creating all of mankind and all of life on earth - is a memorial "FOR mankind".

Rather than the transparently flawed "either or" fallacy that DHK recommends to the reader - we find the "both-AND" solution to be biblically sustained.

in Christ,

Bob
There is no "both-and" solution Bob. Exodus 31, written after chapter 20, as you say, further delineates that the 4th command is for Israel only. This is progressive revelation. Not all things remain the same. Here God makes a covenant with the nation of Israel and their generations forever, never to be broken. It is a sign for the nation of Israel only. It will never be for the Gentiles, never! It is for Israel. The Scripture is clear in this chapter. To make it say what it does not say is simply to deny God's Word. You have no way out of this chapter. It is plain and clear.
 

BobRyan

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There is no "both-and" solution Bob. Exodus 31, written after chapter 20, as you say, further delineates that the 4th command is for Israel only.

So then you think that in Mark 2:27 "Made for MANKIND" it was "reset" to mankind?

Or you think that in Isaiah 66 "From Sabbath to Sabbath shall ALL MANKIND come before Me to worship" - that it was "reset to mankind again".

Or in Isaiah 56 where Gentiles are specifically blessed for obeying the Creator of Mankind -and honoring His Memorial holy day - of His creative act in making Mankind - you think this was a big change from Ex 31?

DHK said:
This is progressive revelation.

So that is amazing you think it was made for mankind - then shrank in Ex 31 - then expanded back in Is 56 and in Is 66 then affirmed in its "all mankind" expanded form by Christ in Mark 2:27??

Amazing.

Try the "both-and" solution instead.

I have addressed every point you made from Ex 31 - and also the point that Ex 31 is not the only text in the Bible that speaks to the topic.

So while your keeping busy hiding from the rest of the Bible I don't mind emphasizing the point as follows -

I have stated that God's making the Sabbath "for mankind" Mark 2:27 such that "From Sabbath to Sabbath ... shall ALL mankind come before Me to worship" Is 66 does not in anyway preclude God from giving the Sabbath to His chosen people to be a sign of obedience for His people.

Recall that even Rev 14 and Rev 12 points to the "saints" as those who "keep the commandments of God".

God's position is consistent there.

Your argument is that if God gives the Sabbath to His chosen people in the OT - then He must revoke that Sabbath-memorial of creating all life on earth - including mankind - from the rest of mankind.

But the Bible explicitly refutes your suggestion - by telling us in Is 66 -- centuries AFTER the Ex 31 event - that God considered His Sabbath to be a time when ALL MANKIND will come before Him to Worship -- even as far into the future as the New Earth.

When I debate with JW's on the subject of the Trinity they want to argue that Christ's statment "I go to my God and your God" should effectively undo all the other statements in scripture about Christ being God.

I argue with them - the same point - that it is a "both-and" solution that is required in the Bible to get the full meaning of the doctrine 100% correct.

DHK said:
Not all things remain the same. Here God makes a covenant with the nation of Israel and their generations forever, never to be broken. It is a sign for the nation of Israel only. It will never be for the Gentiles, never!

So no matter what Christ said to the contrary in Mark 2:27 - he will never get His way.

No matter what Isaiah 56 says about Gentiles blessed for obeying God and honoring the Creator's Holy day - not gonna happen!

And no matter what God says in Is 66 about "ALL MANKIND" coming before Him to worship "from Sabbath to Sabbath" -- it will be "just Jews only"??

Amazing DHK!!

Simply amazing!!

DHK said:
It is for Israel. The Scripture is clear in this chapter. To make it say what it does not say is simply to deny God's Word. You have no way out of this chapter. It is plain and clear.

You are relying on the fallacy of "either or" when in fact the solution is "both-and".

I tell this to the JWs all the time.

in Christ,

Bob
 

DHK

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You are relying on the fallacy of "either or" when in fact the solution is "both-and".

I tell this to the JWs all the time.

in Christ,

Bob
Why is this going on in two threads now.
You are acting like the JW who won't tackle the Scriptures given to you?
Exodus 31:13-18, Are they not in your Bible any longer?
Try expounding them for me. You won't find the truth until you go there first. And this discussion won't move until you go there first. I do notice that tactics of the JW's and other cults do rabbit jump all over the place and not stick to one place, and reconcile the meaning of that one passage. Usually it is because they are not able to reconcile that passage.

For example, the JW's are unable to reconcile the trinity, so they move on. They refuse to discuss it. They quickly jump to another subject. You are doing the same thing.
 

BobRyan

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Is there ANY question that you have posed from Ex 31 that has not been answered?

If so - name your question.

I maintain that every aspect has been dealt with -

In the ONE Gospel Gal 1:6-11 of all ages - God tells the people of God - the chosen

The Sign of the Sabbath
12The LORD spoke to Moses, saying,
13"But as for you, speak to the sons of Israel, saying, 'You shall surely observe My sabbaths; for this is a sign between Me and you throughout your generations, that you may know that I am the LORD who sanctifies you.
14'Therefore you are to observe the sabbath, for it is holy to you. Everyone who profanes it shall surely be put to death; for whoever does any work on it, that person shall be cut off from among his people.
15'For six days work may be done, but on the seventh day there is a sabbath of complete rest, holy to the LORD; whoever does any work on the sabbath day shall surely be put to death.
16'So the sons of Israel shall observe the sabbath, to celebrate the sabbath throughout their generations as a perpetual covenant.'
17"It is a sign between Me and the sons of Israel forever; for in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, but on the seventh day He ceased from labor, and was refreshed."

The Sabbath is a SIGN between God and His people - forever.
"There REMAINS therefore a Sabbath rest for the people of God" Heb 4.

That sign will CONTINUE even into the New Earth "From Sabbath to Sabbath -- shall ALL MANKIND come before Me to worship".

Because in the New Earth ALL mankind are God's people -- no wicked will be there.

The "SIGN" that is to be between God and His People - was "MADE FOR MANKIND" Mark 2:27 - when in Genesis 1-2:3 God MADE both MANKIND and the Holy Seventh day memorial.

When Ex 31 identifies the REASON for the sign God says "FOR in Six days the LORD MADE..." referring to the making not only of MANKIND but of all life on earth - and formatting the earth itself.


18When He had finished speaking with him upon Mount Sinai, He gave Moses the two tablets of the testimony, tablets of stone, written by the finger of God.

The "sign" is central to the "Tablets of stone" - the TEN Commandments.

Thus D.L Moody is right to uphold that SIGN for God's people as he discusses the value of God's Commandments.

But - there is more...

The in Rev 14 we see the "seal of God" placed on the saints.
In Rev 12 and 14 the saints are those who "keep the Commandments of God" - in 1Cor 7:19 "What matters is keeping the commandments of God"


In the book of revelation the saints receive the seal of God and the wicked receive the "mark of the beast". Thus the seal of God is in direct contrast to the mark of the beast.


In The "SIGN" focus that you are highlighting for us in Ex 31 - we see the Tablets of stone - with the 4th commandment memorial of God's act in creating ALL MANKIND given as a sign between God and His people.


In the actual Ex 20:8-11 commandment "spoken by God" and Ex 31 "Written by God" we see the element of a SEAL. 1. The NAME (LORD -- YHWH)
2. and the Title (God - Creator)
3. and the domain "Heavens and the earth the sea and all that is in them". Thus the SIGN is also a SEAL placed on the Ten Commandments themselves.

How facinating that you choose to "go after that" as if attacking God's Sign was "a good thing".


Under the New Covenant listed in Heb 8:10-11 that Law is written by the Holy Spirit on the heart and mind of God's people.


God says that the New Covenant is made with the same group as the Ex 31 group "ISRAEL".

in Christ,

Bob
 
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DHK

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Is there ANY question that you have posed from Ex 31 that has not been answered?

If so - name your question.

I maintain that every aspect has been dealt with -
None of the Scripture has been dealt with Bob. That is what you refuse to do. A number of times in that passage, the Lord God Jehovah states explicitly that the Sabbath is a sign of the covenant between Israel and her generations forever. That is explicitly spelled out and repeated. You have not gone through the passage and dealt with each verse. The JEW that did not keep the Sabbath was put to death. You cannot reconcile those things in the NT. You don't even keep the Sabbath according to Exodus 31. It was for the nation of Israel and Israel only. Go through the passage verse by verse and reconcile it so that you can show me how it could possible apply to Gentile believers. Why do you have this terrible awesome fear of doing such a thing?
In the ONE Gospel Gal 1:6-11 of all ages - God tells the people of God - the chosen
What deception Bob, the passage you quoted is not from Galatians. Why do you deliberately deceive the people. Here is what it says in Gal.1:8

Galatians 1:8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.

Take note Bob. You are preaching another gospel.
The Sabbath is a SIGN between God and His people - forever.
Where is that exact quote. It is a sign between Jehovah and Israel.
"There REMAINS therefore a Sabbath rest for the people of God" Heb 4.
There is no command there to keep the Sabbath.
That sign will CONTINUE even into the New Earth "From Sabbath to Sabbath -- shall ALL MANKIND come before Me to worship".
A sign is not a command.
Because in the New Earth ALL mankind are God's people -- no wicked will be there.
And this has to do with what.....
The "SIGN" that is to be between God and His People - was "MADE FOR MANKIND" Mark 2:27 - when in Genesis 1-2:3 God MADE both MANKIND and the Holy Seventh day memorial.
A memorial is not a command.
When Ex 31 identifies the REASON for the sign God says "FOR in Six days the LORD MADE..." referring to the making not only of MANKIND but of all life on earth - and formatting the earth itself.
In Exodus 31 there are numerous commands for Israel and only Israel to keep the Sabbath, there is never any command for any Gentile believer to keep the Sabbath.
 

steaver

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In Exodus 31 there are numerous commands for Israel and only Israel to keep the Sabbath, there is never any command for any Gentile believer to keep the Sabbath.

Originally Posted by BobRyan
1. Circumcision was a requirement for anyone who wanted to become a Jew - it was never a requirement for Gentile believers - no not in the OT nor in the NT.

...yes the laws about annual feast days, circumcision etc - are just applicable to Jews in the OT. No OT gentile believers were required to observe such things. Not in the OT - not in the NT.

...I leave it to you - to show that in the OT God required all believing gentiles to be circumcised -- I did not find such a thing - but you seem to be making the claim that you may have found it - please share with us here if that is the case.

Bob declares that if the OT or the NT does not require all believing Gentiles to observe a commandment then it is not to be observed and obeyed. I can agree with that.

Can Bob apply this same truth to his SDA Sabbath keeping command?

Please share with us where you found the commandment for Gentiles to observe and obey the Jewish Sabbath keeping.
 

BobRyan

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Bob declares that if the OT or the NT does not require all believing Gentiles to observe a commandment then it is not to be observed and obeyed. I can agree with that.

Can Bob apply this same truth to his SDA Sabbath keeping command?

Please share with us where you found the commandment for Gentiles to ...

First of all - as it turns out - there is "SDA Sabbath command" because the Bible was not written by SDAs. Sorry to disabuse you of the notion so late in your career.

Secondly - the point of Gentile keeping Sabbath as the intended model in the OT was already posted here - .

Here it is "yet again".

Is 66 "from Sabbath to Sabbath... shall ALL MANKIND come before Me to Worship".

Gentiles were considered part of "mankind" in the OT.

Mark 2:27 "The Sabbath was made for MANKIND"

Gentiles were considered part of "mankind" in the NT

Gen 2:1-3 God rested on the seventh-day and made it HOLY in Eden itself.
Adam was not a Jew.

Is 56 has a specific blessing for gentiles who choose to worship God and honor the Creator of mankind by keeping the Lord's Holy day.
6 ""Also the FOREIGNERS who join themselves to the LORD, To minister to Him, and to love the name of the LORD, To be His servants, every one who keeps from profaning THE Sabbath And holds fast My covenant;
7 Even those I will bring to My holy mountain And make them joyful in My house of prayer. Their burnt offerings and their sacrifices will be acceptable on My altar; For My house will be called a house of prayer for ALL the PEOPLES.''

Thirdly - even D.L Moody gets this point clearly. And before you go there -- "NO - D.L Moody was not SDA"

in Christ,

Bob
 
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