More Awesome Health Care From England.

[Bro. Curtis]

https://www.usnews.com/news/health-...may-have-led-to-death-of-270-women-in-england

Man. The women wait to be called for screenings, and if nobody calls, they accept it ?

Are women not allowed to make their own appointments ?

Did this affect poor women and immigrants worse or was the pain evenly spread around ?

I’m not the type to blame government for personal inaction. But does the health care system in England foster an attitude of “someone else will take care of me” ?

 

[Scarlett O.]

That's odd.

Here, we receive notices, but the woman is responsible for making the appointment. The notice is just a reminder that it's been x amount of years since your last one. Also primary doctors here always ask "when was your last mammogram and pap?" They will offer to make the appointment for you.

 

[Bro. Curtis]

At my age, I get asked about the regular stuff all the time, but it is me who has to make the appointment.

Here we have a government who is accepting responsibility for these deaths. That means, to me at least, that folks over expect the government to make sure they have had their checkups, and they don’t have to worry about it. And we see the results.

It happens here, as well, with poor and immigrant communities hence my question. And it will get worse with the removal of case workers due to budget cuts. No government could be able to shoulder this load. And there are signs and ads everywhere in all kinds of languages offering free cancer screenings under the ACA. At some point people have to take some personal responsibility.

This is really sad. People died because they didn’t get an appointment made for them.

 

[carpro]

That's odd.

Here, we receive notices, but the woman is responsible for making the appointment. The notice is just a reminder that it's been x amount of years since your last one. Also primary doctors here always ask "when was your last mammogram and pap?" They will offer to make the appointment for you.

Bureaucrats and salaried NHS medical personnel don't care. They have no incentive to care. It's just a job.

Don't expect a reminder.

 

[Matt Black]

At my age, I get asked about the regular stuff all the time, but it is me who has to make the appointment.

Here we have a government who is accepting responsibility for these deaths. That means, to me at least, that folks over expect the government to make sure they have had their checkups, and they don’t have to worry about it. And we see the results.

It happens here, as well, with poor and immigrant communities hence my question. And it will get worse with the removal of case workers due to budget cuts. No government could be able to shoulder this load. And there are signs and ads everywhere in all kinds of languages offering free cancer screenings under the ACA. At some point people have to take some personal responsibility.

This is really sad. People died because they didn’t get an appointment made for them.

I suppose one can blame the patients for not being proactive but that begs a number of questions: what sort of education background did they have (as you've alluded to above); were they actually told at their previous appointment "Your next appointment will be in three years time", etc?

Background: this is the result of an IT failure. IT, along with much else in the NHS, has been underfunded and underinvested, with the various NHS Trusts therefore having to choose the cheapest and often therefore the least competent IT contractor...and herewith the result.

 

[I Love An Atheist]

I suppose one can blame the patients for not being proactive but that begs a number of questions: what sort of education background did they have (as you've alluded to above); were they actually told at their previous appointment "Your next appointment will be in three years time", etc?

Background: this is the result of an IT failure. IT, along with much else in the NHS, has been underfunded and underinvested, with the various NHS Trusts therefore having to choose the cheapest and often therefore the least competent IT contractor...and herewith the result.

Oh no, please don't blame every problem all on IT! That happens all the time in every company my husband and I have ever worked in!

It's good for reminder systems to be in place, but even the best have glitches.

I have never been to a doctor whose systems and staff and processes were perfect all the time.

Patients abdicate personal responsibility at their own risk!

 

[Matt Black]

It's not IT per as, it's employing a cheap provider of it which cuts corners

 

[777]

"May have", this is assuming that the screening would have been attended by everyone and could have taken place at just the right time to cure all of them.

Typical bureaucracy, didn't even realize this mistake until almost ten years after the fact. Didn't anybody at the NHS wonder why so few women were showing up at the time?

No creativity, no questioning, just plugging along with the status quo. Rules are rules, this is a lone case that's much more recent:

5-year-old girl died hours after doctor turned her away for being a few minutes late

you need to fix this and fast.

 

[Matt Black]

It's also a case of how someone in admin didn't notice that 500,000 letters didn't go out over the best part of 10 years. That's quite a costs saving that should have shown up on the books and been noticed by somebody

 

[David Kent]

Not every woman goes. My cousin went for a scan once and said it was so uncomfortable she wouldn't go again.

There is a mobile scanning unit in our town. It is sometimes at one of the health centres and at present it is in Tesco supermarket car park. It seems to be used well.