More On The GOP Pushback To School Lunch Mandate

[Bro. Curtis]

….School district officials said they lose access to $3 in U.S. Department of Agriculture reimbursements each and every time a low-income student forgoes taking a free-priced meal, which includes at least three pieces of food, including a fruit or vegetable. According to the records obtained by the I-Team, approximately $180,000 in USDA funding is surrendered each day….


http://www.nbcwashington.com/invest...es-Skipped-Each-Day-in-DC-Area-260979521.html


Also….


Nationwide, student participation in the National School Lunch Program declined by 1.2 million students (or 3.7 percent) from school year 2010-2011 through school year 2012-2013, after having increased steadily for many years. This decrease was driven primarily by a decline of 1.6 million students eating school lunch who pay full price for meals, despite increases in students eating school lunch who receive free meals. State and local officials reported that the changes to lunch content and nutrition requirements, as well as other factors, influenced student participation. For example, almost all states reported through GAO’s national survey that obtaining student acceptance of lunches that complied with the new requirements was challenging during school year 2012-2013, which likely affected participation in the program. Federal, state, and local officials reported that federally-required increases to lunch prices, which affected many districts, also likely influenced participation.
School food authorities (SFA) faced several challenges implementing the new lunch content and nutrition requirements in school year 2012-2013. For example, most states reported that SFAs faced challenges with addressing plate waste— or foods thrown away rather than consumed by students—and managing food costs, as well as planning menus and obtaining foods that complied with portion size and calorie requirements. SFAs that GAO visited also cited these challenges. However, both states and SFAs reported that they expect many of these areas will become less challenging over time, with the exceptions of food costs, insufficient food storage and kitchen equipment, and the forthcoming limits on sodium in lunches….


http://gao.gov/assets/670/660427.pdf

 

[Crabtownboy]

Which is more important, making a profit or having healthy children?

 

[Revmitchell]

It is not the governments job or place to see to it we have healthy children. This is the problem with the liberal mindset. There is no problem that does not involve the government for the solution. They are willing to give up freedom for government control.

 

[Crabtownboy]

It is not the governments job or place to see to it we have healthy children. This is the problem with the liberal mindset. There is no problem that does not involved the government for the solution. They are willing to give up freedom for government control.

So you are admitting that the Conservative position is pro-profit and anti-healthy people. If helping people is a liberal mindset then, logically, your conservative position is that people are not to be helped, but harmed. How can you be a pastor preaching Christ and be so anti in helping people? Remember the questions in the last judgement in Matthew?

If the government is not to play any role in helping people, in health or other areas, what is their proper role in your opinion?

Unhealthy school lunches are one of the contributors to malnutrition in the form of excessive consumption of unhealthy foods. However, some measures are being taken to change that. Unhealthy adult eating patterns can be traced directly to unhealthy school lunches, as children learn many eating habits from social settings such as school. A 2010 study of 1003 Michigan junior high students found that students who ate school meals for lunch were significantly more likely to be obese than those who did not.[15] Promoting healthy eating in schools may reduce as many as 25 percent of adolescent obesity cases. An example is the Berkeley Food System project which utilizes vegetable gardens to promote education for healthy eating. Janet Brown, who started the project, explained that students are more likely to eat healthy foods such as fruits and vegetables if they are better introduced to them.[16]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/School...nited_States#Unhealthy_meals_and_malnutrition

 

[Revmitchell]

And we see yet further the depraved mind of liberals who are willing to intentionally make intellectually dishonest arguments. If you do not support the intrusion of government in your life then you are falsely and intentionally painted as not being willing to help people.


This is intellectually dishonest because government is not the only means by which to help people. We need more honesty in our discussions and less debate tactics.

 

[Crabtownboy]

And we see yet further the depraved mind of liberals who are willing to intentionally make intellectually dishonest arguments. If you do not support the intrusion of government in your life then you are falsely and intentionally painted as not being willing to help people.


This is intellectually dishonest because government is not the only means by which to help people. We need more honesty in our discussions and less debate tactics.

In your first post you said:

It is not the governments job or place to see to it we have healthy children.

Then you say:

There is no problem that does not involved the government for the solution.

With you change of tense that sentence actually makes no sense. If you meant, "There is no problem that does not involve the government for solution," then you have contradicted your first comment.

If you mean there is no problem that the government should help solve, then it shows you have no regard for people.

What is it that you are trying to say?

 

[Scarlett O.]

As someone who has an eye-witness to school lunches for three decades, I can tell you this.

There MUST be a balance between what they should eat and what they will eat. And the balance has swung too far "should eat" side.

Trash cans FULL of uneaten food gets dumped every single day and children go hungry.

I would MUCH rather my child eat his whole plate of a pizza, corn, pinto beans, and peaches than throw away his whole plate of baked chicken, spinach, raw carrots, and kiwi.

 

[Revmitchell]

In your first post you said:



Then you say:



With you change of tense that sentence actually makes no sense. If you meant, "There is no problem that does not involve the government for solution," then you have contradicted your first comment.

If you mean there is no problem that the government should help solve, then it shows you have no regard for people.

What is it that you are trying to say?

You know what Crabby you intentionally took my statement out of context in order to twist it around. Shame on you. My post stands and your dishonest attempt is there for everyone to see.

 

[Crabtownboy]

You know what Crabby you intentionally took my statement out of context in order to twist it around. Shame on you. My post stands and your dishonest attempt is there for everyone to see.

No, you are incorrect. As has happened so often in the past you make a poorly though out reply and they refuse to follow it to its logical conclusion.

Either you want to help people or hurt them. Which is it? What is more important, profits in the cafeteria or healthy kids?

ps. attempted insults only show how weak your position is.

 

[Revmitchell]

As someone who has an eye-witness to school lunches for three decades, I can tell you this.

There MUST be a balance between what they should eat and what they will eat. And the balance has swung too far "should eat" side.

Trash cans FULL of uneaten food gets dumped every single day and children go hungry.

I would MUCH rather my child eat his whole plate of a pizza, corn, pinto beans, and peaches than throw away his whole plate of baked chicken, spinach, raw carrots, and kiwi.

The difficulty about setting standards like this is they do not have those standards at home in many cases. Because of this setting those standards at school is seen as excessive and extreme and more importantly unacceptable.

 

[ShagNappy]

Which is more important, making a profit or having healthy children?

What is more important is kids not spending most of the day hungry because school lunches are now garbage they won't eat, and even if they would eat it, not sufficient amounts. As the father of an 18 year old who just graduated last week I have been dealing with this since it started and not just reading political talking points or biased articles.

 

[Bro. Curtis]

Which is more important, making a profit or having healthy children?

Stupid question. The kids aren't eating the lunches. Should we force them ?

 

[Bro. Curtis]

So you are admitting that the Conservative position is pro-profit and anti-healthy people. If helping people is a liberal mindset then, logically, your conservative position is that people are not to be helped, but harmed. How can you be a pastor preaching Christ and be so anti in helping people? Remember the questions in the last judgement in Matthew?

Stupid post. Would Christ want us to force feed these kids Mooch's lunches ?

If the government is not to play any role in helping people, in health or other areas, what is their proper role in your opinion?

We have shown these don't help.

 

[Bro. Curtis]

Also, C.T.Boy, since you like to throw Christ around……


Since you want the schools to keep wasting money, knowing team zero will keep bailing everyone out with our great-grandchildren's money, square that with Christ's TEACHINGS about stewardship.

Thanx, in advance.

 

[Crabtownboy]

Stupid question. The kids aren't eating the lunches. Should we force them ?

When you have nothing intelligent to say, insult. Are you in constant pain, having a bad day ... or is this simply the level of your thinking ability?

Which is more important, profits or kids health?

 

[InTheLight]

Which is more important, making a profit or having healthy children?

I was unaware that they are mutually exclusive choices.

 

[Bro. Curtis]

When you have nothing intelligent to say, insult. Are you in constant pain, having a bad day ... or is this simply the level of your thinking ability?

Which is more important, profits or kids health?

LOL.

Should we chain up these kids and force feed them ?


Are you going to address the facts, or just call me a meanie ?

 

[Bro. Curtis]

I was unaware that they are mutually exclusive choices.

That's why I don't answer false choice questions.

 

[Alcott]

If the government is not to play any role in helping people, in health or other areas, what is their proper role in your opinion?

To assure life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness by stopping people from infringing on others' rights to these things. I certainly don't think that includes shoving broccoli down schoolkids' throats or just giving the garbage cans a healthier diet.

 

[Gina B]

The whole thing is ridiculous. It is possible to have healthy lunches that taste good. I know one school that has some great lunches. For example, a lunch might be Fuji Apple Chicken, a side salad, fruit and yogurt parfait, and juice. Or it could be a turkey wrap, fresh veggies and dip, a fruit cup, and milk.

If the kids that get free lunches are going and spending money on expensive alternatives, as this article complains about, on restaurants and convenient stores next door to the school, the situation of starving children due to school food is not as dire as they would have you believe.

It's poor management of funds, or they are not being totally honest about the situation. They may be whining that it is impossible to feed kids healthy meals because they don't want to spend an extra cent doing so, so naturally, the food is going to taste terrible if the goal is ONLY to meet the requirement at the lowest cost possible and they don't put any thought into any other aspect of things. Many people's version of "it can't be done" may, in reality, mean "it can't be done the way I want it to be done and put as much money in my pocket and use all the same vendors and profit the same people so we will not cooperate."

I've made some very tasty meals from very few ingredients. I've cooked for large groups with funds after being handed money that I've spent on one meal for my family. It takes WANTING to make it work. And they have a LOT more resources and money than I had. LOL I guarantee it.

And they definitely need better management. They can afford to stand there and throw out food for kids who are short on their money at times. They cook enough for every kid on free lunches, but they know that every kid considered in the system is automatically put on free lunch, and many live with Gramma and Grampa or whoever and have never needed or taken it. Many families apply for it because it lets their child get reduced or free testing, or it gains other benefits outside the home, which saves a chunk of money at a time, but they pack their lunches or eat elsewhere or pay elsewhere. Or the kid has a job and pays for their own stuff. Rules need to change in places where they do not allow cafeterias to allow for making less food, or where they let cafeterias count this as served food when it marches out the back door instead.

Forcing kids to take food - THE most ridiculous waste EVER! Talk about bad management! Want to whine about money? Go to any elementary school and many middle schools and watch them FORCE all children to take milk and sometimes both juice and milk, even if the child does not want it or cannot drink it, along with other foods they will not touch. It sits on the tray and gets tossed in the garbage. It is sickening. Totally insane. Perfectly good food, often times still sealed, thrown in the garbage. Rules say it must be served.
What's worse is when they decide to serve milk and juice together at breakfast in an elementary school. The kids will drink both and lots will puke. They don't know that it makes their belly sick. My kids know that, but lots of people don't get that. I tell people all the time THINK ABOUT THAT! Mix orange juice and milk in a cup and watch what happens. But they still do it. LOL But they got their fruit and dairy serving in...if they didn't toss it in the garbage...but actually they mostly did toss it. HA!


The whole thing is really wasteful and poorly managed a lot of the time. Kids CAN eat healthy and nutritious AND have it be yummy. Some really don't touch healthy food, no matter how yummy it is, but you know what? It's not your job to fix their issues if they won't touch something that isn't fat laden. If they're that messed up, contact whoever takes care of them at home so they can help that child through whatever problem they have that makes them starve themselves rather than eat their food, because that makes more sense than the entire country serving junk food in order to get kids who only eat junk food to not go hungry. (and in reality, don't you think it would be rare for a kid to actually starve themselves to the point of danger over not liking school lunch? That doesn't sound like a valid fear, more like an overly concerned granny, but stranger things have happened)