Thanks. I shouldn't have assumed it was always "glory."
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More Words Hard to Translate
- Thread starter John of Japan
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Looks like Revelation 3:9 might be one exception, according to how one interprets the verse.
The KJV often translates προσκυνέω as "worship" and often as "bow" or "bow down" (but I don't have numbers on this observation.) I'd say this should have been "bow down" in this verse. In many cultures, especially Asian, simply to bow is not worship but respect.
Matthew 18:26 !
RighteousnessTemperance&
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And then there are the addresses Your/His/Her Worship and The (Right) Worshipful.
The Gospel Coalition ❧ Etymology of ‘Worship’
"Our first difficulty is that ‘worship’ is an English word translating Hebrew and Greek expressions. Moreover, in discussions of the subject it is generally overlooked that the English word has itself undergone radical development. Since it was first used in translation, ‘worship’ has acquired a semantic range quite different from its own original meaning. That this is so can be seen in some surviving English archaisms. Judges are still called ‘Your worship’ and we still have a few ‘worshipful companies’, yet the term has no religious significance in these contexts. Again, the statement in the marriage service of 1549, ‘With my body I thee wurship’...seems very peculiar now."
"The Shorter Oxford English Dictionary states that until the early seventeenth century ‘worship’ was commonly used to denote ‘respect or honour shown to a person or thing’. It quotes Jonathan Swift’s acid comment that a certain woman was ‘as fine as Fi’pence; but truly, I thought, there was more Cost than Worship’. However, by the early eighteenth century the term was being used more exclusively to refer to religious ceremonies and by the middle of that century its use in a secular context was evidently becoming rare. Today, of course, ‘worship’ is not merely an almost exclusively religious term but has acquired additional connotations"
"Our first difficulty is that ‘worship’ is an English word translating Hebrew and Greek expressions. Moreover, in discussions of the subject it is generally overlooked that the English word has itself undergone radical development. Since it was first used in translation, ‘worship’ has acquired a semantic range quite different from its own original meaning. That this is so can be seen in some surviving English archaisms. Judges are still called ‘Your worship’ and we still have a few ‘worshipful companies’, yet the term has no religious significance in these contexts. Again, the statement in the marriage service of 1549, ‘With my body I thee wurship’...seems very peculiar now."
"The Shorter Oxford English Dictionary states that until the early seventeenth century ‘worship’ was commonly used to denote ‘respect or honour shown to a person or thing’. It quotes Jonathan Swift’s acid comment that a certain woman was ‘as fine as Fi’pence; but truly, I thought, there was more Cost than Worship’. However, by the early eighteenth century the term was being used more exclusively to refer to religious ceremonies and by the middle of that century its use in a secular context was evidently becoming rare. Today, of course, ‘worship’ is not merely an almost exclusively religious term but has acquired additional connotations"
Good point. Thank you. The Greek word for "worship" there is proskuneo, meaning simply to bow down, not necessarily what we think of as worship. But you are right about the KJV.
OED:
"the more cost, the more worship and variants: the greater the expenditure on something, the more it is appreciated. more cost than worship and variants: more expense or effort than something is worth. Obs. (English regional in later use)"