Mormon or Christian Liberal/Humanist

[Alive in Christ]

It seems a bit perverse to me to be flipantly discussing the degree of "hotness" that those poor ones in hell will be dealing with.

But for the grace of God, there US.

I wish hell were completly EMPTY of inhabitants

 

[glfredrick]

As an exercise in futility, do you think that ACTUAL EVENTS hapened at an ACTUAL TIME IN HISTORY that were subsequently written in a record called the BIBLE?

And, that if those actual events happened at an actual time in history, that there then is a SINGULAR interpretation that explains them?

No, of course you would not agree to that. You would have to repent... :wavey:

Crickets... Thought so. :tonofbricks:

 

[evangelist6589]

Defintion in christian sense would be conservative as one who holds to the truths of trinity, salvation by grace/faith alone, Bible inspired/infallible/second coming etc

Liberal one who would deny one or all of the above!

In that case Osteen is not a liberal, he's just a prosperity, self-help preacher whom is a false teacher, not necessarily a heretic. There is a diff between a false teacher and a heretic. Osteen's teachings are unhealthy no question, but he is not in the same league as some others that I know of, or a Brian McLaren.

 

[evangelist6589]

A most interesting comment. Another might phrase it this way:

There is no question that the Christian Conservatives/Fundamentalists will have a hotter hell than the Mormon because they are in the church and pretending to be the real deal.

Both statements are opinions and cannot be proven either way.

By the way, I reject both statements.

I do not agree with you. One cant assume every Fundamentalist is bad.

 

[glfredrick]

In that case Osteen is not a liberal, he's just a prosperity, self-help preacher whom is a false teacher, not necessarily a heretic. There is a diff between a false teacher and a heretic. Osteen's teachings are unhealthy no question, but he is not in the same league as some others that I know of, or a Brian McLaren.

Actually, because Osteen preaches everything BUT the gospel, he is not even a heretic. He is lost.

 

[David Lamb]

There is no question that the Christian Liberal/Humanist will have a hotter hell than the Mormon because they are in the church and pretending to be the real deal. This does not make Mormonism safe, but it wont be hotter for them than the liberal. People like Brian McLaren which I believe may be a true and real liberal more powerful and more satanic than someone like Joel Osteen whom is a self-help and prosperity gospel advocate whom no question is a false teacher, but maybe on the same level as a Peter Ruckman, etc.. I say this because I heard Osteen say on television that Jesus is the only way to God, the Bible is the true word of God, etc.. These are things that Brian McLarren does not believe and that makes him very dangerous.

Let me see if I've understood you correctly:

To me, you seem to be saying that people who call themselves Christian but believe liberal or humanist "theology" will be punished more severely in hell, because they are part of "the church". But surely, if they are truly part of Christ's church, that is, if they really know that they need a Saviour, and have come to know that Saviour, the Lord Jesus Christ personally, they won't be going to hell at all.

Perhaps you meant that the liberal/humanist organisation they belong to calls itself a church. But then, that doesn't fit your argument, because the Mormons also call themselves a church. ("Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints").

I'm assuming in all this that you are using the word "liberal" theologically, not politically.

 

[evangelist6589]

Let me see if I've understood you correctly:

To me, you seem to be saying that people who call themselves Christian but believe liberal or humanist "theology" will be punished more severely in hell, because they are part of "the church". But surely, if they are truly part of Christ's church, that is, if they really know that they need a Saviour, and have come to know that Saviour, the Lord Jesus Christ personally, they won't be going to hell at all.

Perhaps you meant that the liberal/humanist organisation they belong to calls itself a church. But then, that doesn't fit your argument, because the Mormons also call themselves a church. ("Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints").

I'm assuming in all this that you are using the word "liberal" theologically, not politically.

You really need to read some of Dr. MacArthurs books, specially ones like the Truth War. If you did read it, then read it again and look closer. He does make a strong case against heretics inside the church being more deadly than Mormons, etc..

 

[David Lamb]

You really need to read some of Dr. MacArthurs books, specially ones like the Truth War. If you did read it, then read it again and look closer. He does make a strong case against heretics inside the church being more deadly than Mormons, etc..

But isn't this something different to what you posted in the OP? There, you wrote: "There is no question that the Christian Liberal/Humanist will have a hotter hell than the Mormon because they are in the church and pretending to be the real deal." I took that as meaning that you believe punishment will be greater for one group than the other.

Now though, you seem to be talking about the effects on a church brought about heretics calling themselves Christians coming into a church and spreading their heresies, and comparing that to Mormons doing the same thing. I agree that someone pretending to be a Christian is (humanly speaking) a greater threat to a church, because the danger is hidden. "Wolves in sheep's clothing" comes to mind. A Mormon coming into a Christian church is a more obvious danger, unless he/she is, like the heretic, pretending to be a Christian.

Sorry if I have misunderstood you.

 

[saturneptune]

Degrees of hell could be argued one way or the other. Seperation from God is seperation from God, regardless of who. There is one reason for seperation from God, and that is a rejection of Jesus Christ as Savior. Degrees of hell is like getting an F+ instead of an F on a report card.

There are many threats to the local New Testement church today. Mormonism is right at the top of the list.

 

[convicted1]

I think the point of the thread is who is less evil, a Mormon, or a member of a Christian church that is pretending to be a Christian. That is kind of like comparing an F and an F+ on a report card. You are either a Christian or you are not. Degrees of hell, that is another debate.

First of all, I do not know why a non-Christian would waste time going to church and pretend. Stay home and watch a ball game or go fishing. Think about it, why would anyone who does not have a zeal for the Lord want to hear the Bible explained and listen to a bunch of songs with a boring or nonsenscial message?

People like this are the ones who come in and rip a church apart, if'n you ask me. satan has more "members" in church than God does, if you ain't too careful.

 

[convicted1]

Degrees of hell could be argued one way or the other. Seperation from God is seperation from God, regardless of who. There is one reason for seperation from God, and that is a rejection of Jesus Christ as Savior. Degrees of hell is like getting an F+ instead of an F on a report card.

There are many threats to the local New Testement church today. Mormonism is right at the top of the list.

:thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:

Flames ARE flames. Either way, they end up getiing burned. BTW, I do not believe in differing degrees of hell.

 

[glfredrick]

Degrees of hell could be argued one way or the other. Seperation from God is seperation from God, regardless of who. There is one reason for seperation from God, and that is a rejection of Jesus Christ as Savior. Degrees of hell is like getting an F+ instead of an F on a report card.

There are many threats to the local New Testement church today. Mormonism is right at the top of the list.

Agreed...

Funny thing, as I glanced over your post, I saw "Moron-ism" instead of Mormonism. Both are big issues in today's church world...

 

[convicted1]

Agreed...

Funny thing, as I glanced over your post, I saw "Moron-ism" instead of Mormonism. Both are big issues in today's church world...

Sad, but true...