Yes I know, but I have no hatred in my heart for Joel or anyone else. That's the difference. The bible describes what a fool is all throughout the book of Proverbs. There is a difference in what I said and what you're trying to imply I said.
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Mormons are Christian, says Joel Osteen
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Yes I know, but I have no hatred in my heart for Joel or anyone else. That's the difference. The bible describes what a fool is all throughout the book of Proverbs. There is a difference in what I said and what you're trying to imply I said.
mcdirector
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Joel Osteen is to theological thought as . . .
a chicken is to an airplane.
a chicken is to an airplane.
So we can be assure that they are a Cult, and that NONE of their "revelation" came to them by God of the Bible, but from the god of this present age!
Mormonism has the marks of a cult.
My research:
It is definitely a system of works/merit whereby you attain to eternal life in one of three realms (terrestial, telestial, celestial).
Apparently only worthy Mormon men can hope to attain to the celestial realm.
Someone talked about their redefining of terms, they certainly do and it is strange and confusing to we the orthodox:
Although they support Christ as "atoning" Savior, they don't support the eternal deity of Christ although they would say He is now a deity.
Although they hold to a kind of triad of Father, Son and Holy Spirit (and baptize accordingly), in essence they do not agree with the orthodox definition of the eternal Trinity. Specifically that the members of the "God" triad although perhaps are eternal spirits were not always "almighty".
And many other unorthodox teachings but these show that they are not orthodox in the essential of the eternal and almighty Triune God.
Anyway we will hear from them soon at Christmas time (Mormon Tabernacle Choir).
HankD
My research:
It is definitely a system of works/merit whereby you attain to eternal life in one of three realms (terrestial, telestial, celestial).
Apparently only worthy Mormon men can hope to attain to the celestial realm.
Someone talked about their redefining of terms, they certainly do and it is strange and confusing to we the orthodox:
Although they support Christ as "atoning" Savior, they don't support the eternal deity of Christ although they would say He is now a deity.
Although they hold to a kind of triad of Father, Son and Holy Spirit (and baptize accordingly), in essence they do not agree with the orthodox definition of the eternal Trinity. Specifically that the members of the "God" triad although perhaps are eternal spirits were not always "almighty".
And many other unorthodox teachings but these show that they are not orthodox in the essential of the eternal and almighty Triune God.
Anyway we will hear from them soon at Christmas time (Mormon Tabernacle Choir).
HankD
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Think that Mormons have done agreat job in "persuading" Chrsitians that they ae just another church within Christiandom, but their doctrines are NOT biblcal, as they do a revisn and new understanding for every concept that theytake from the Bible!
FR7 Baptist
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One time I was at church for choir practice for a special performance and during a break in rehearsal some of us started talking about how good the Mormon Tabernacle Choir is and I referred to them as heretics and two people told me to stop being so judgmental.
Paul, I trust you did NOT apologize for giving the truth. (and sometimes the truth hurts). When we call someone a heretic, we do need to make sure we have the proper info to back it up. (hope you did, if they asked)
I will say there are tactful ways of saying Mormons are a cult. As Christians, that is the way we should approach it.
Our biblical example is given by Apostle John , and he did not "mince" words on those who denied jesus as Christ, neither did the Apostle paul mince words, and try to be "politically correct!"
I think the word 'cult' has been bandied about so much, and the word 'Christian' has also, that we need to be more precise about such things.
Mormonism is not a 'Christian' religion in the sense that they do not adhere to the fundamentals of the Christian faith- or perhaps better said- to classical interpretations of the fundamental doctrines of the Christian faith.
Edit to add: And I wouldn't trust Joel Osteen's opinion on anything- except maybe where to find a good dentist.
Mormonism is not a 'Christian' religion in the sense that they do not adhere to the fundamentals of the Christian faith- or perhaps better said- to classical interpretations of the fundamental doctrines of the Christian faith.
Edit to add: And I wouldn't trust Joel Osteen's opinion on anything- except maybe where to find a good dentist.
Mormonism does NOT adhere to "biblical Christianity", as that religion would be called by Apostle Paul as being a "false Gospel/false Christ!"
That's true when they allow media ads. These ads do not go into their underlying doctrine. When they come to your house (and if you let them in) they are unashamed to tell you that they are the only true church.
All others are apostate and false.
Also to become a Mormon one has to make a public witness that Joseph Smith is a true prophet from God and the Book of Mormon is true.
HankD
Mormonism is listed as a cult in the Bible classes at Liberty Univ, and I agree....they follow the teachings of Joseph Smith, set him high on a pedestal, believe that he did what he claims he did, and built a church around his delusions. The Mormons followed him blindly into polygamy and baptism of the dead. Hence, a cult.
ANY church that puts a man as head of their church (ex:the Pope) over the Lord Jesus Christ is considered a cult in my book.
Oh don't get me wrong, it is an interesting thought for a poll. :thumbs:
I just don't care what Joel thinks. Going to Pastor Osteen for informed/formed theological contemplation is like asking my interior decorator to fix my A/C unit.
Sure they can look at it and tell me somethings wrong (it's hot inside, or it's not working) but they sure can't do much about it other than offer to rearrange my curtains.
I will say this, I don't think Mormons are a cult. They've long since left that status. I believe they are a heretical sect of Christianity whose teachings are aberrant (to be nice) declarations against biblical orthodoxy. They are more akin to a major world religion than a cult.
I Have to Agree....
This is a solid view of what they have gradually become. :thumbs:
This is a solid view of what they have gradually become. :thumbs:
Mormonism fits classic Cult status as they do:
Deny the Biblical view on nature of God, as have 3 Gods
Deny the Cross as atonement for Sin
Deny Bible as ONLY inspired Book from God
Deny other churches as being "real Christians" as they see themselves as being "true christianity restored"
Have Apostolic sucession in place
NEVER was a Christian group, always heretics, following doctrines of demons!
The man is a false teacher, or is very very ignorant of the Bible and Mormons. I bet in his case its because of his deep ignorance which does not surprise me knowing something about these Charismatic revival churches whom often preach more about experience and their feelings than the Bible. Often these preachers go to the pulpit without studying the Bible, because they are more interested in what they can say, rather than what the Word of God says.
Its too bad as Osteen is a very very very gifted communicator. Some pastors speak all the correct doctrines and do a good job at exegesis, but cant keep anyone attention but their own flock. I have been in plenty of churches with super dull and boring pastors who often put people to sleep.
John