Mrs. Rick Warren Preaching at Crystal Cathedral

[Jerome]

Christian Post April 30, 2012 Kay Warren Preaches at Crystal Cathedral

"Kay Warren [wife of SBC pastor Rick Warren] delivered a sermon on choosing joy at the Crystal Cathedral during two Sunday worship services that were taped for the Garden Grove church's "Hour of Power" TV broadcast."

Los Angeles Times April 30, 2012 Faith in Crystal Cathedral Is Returning—And So Is Its Flock

"A revival is being seen at the Crystal Cathedral. . . .Rev. Bobby Schuller, grandson of Crystal Cathedral founder Rev. Robert H. Schuller, shares a moment with guest pastor Kay Warren during a service at the church in Garden Grove."

 

[Yeshua1]

Christian Post April 30, 2012 Kay Warren Preaches at Crystal Cathedral

"Kay Warren [wife of SBC pastor Rick Warren] delivered a sermon on choosing joy at the Crystal Cathedral during two Sunday worship services that were taped for the Garden Grove church's "Hour of Power" TV broadcast."

Los Angeles Times April 30, 2012 Faith in Crystal Cathedral Is Returning—And So Is Its Flock

"A revival is being seen at the Crystal Cathedral. . . .Rev. Bobby Schuller, grandson of Crystal Cathedral founder Rev. Robert H. Schuller, shares a moment with guest pastor Kay Warren during a service at the church in Garden Grove."

Do they still preach/teach the ole positive confession heresy of the founder, Robert schuller?

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

sorry but I am not waisting my time watching that.

 

[Yeshua1]

sorry but I am not waisting my time watching that.

Wonder if they still teach as Robert Schuller did that man biggest problem is NOT being sinners, but that we need to realise that we have a low self esteem problem!

 

[webdog]

Sadly, many leaders in the church are falling for the women's equality nonsense. If it were up to me it would disqualify RW from eldership in not leading his family well in this area. "Must" and "husband of one wife" are not rocket science terms.

 

[Tom Butler]

The excerpts from Kay Warren's appearance at Crystal Cathedral certainly didn't sound like a sermon to me. Sounded like a motivational speech. That's not preaching, Joel O notwithstanding.

And the reporter who described her as a "guest pastor" showed his ignorance. She's not a pastor.

We may be making too much of her appearance there.

 

[mandym]

We may be making too much of her appearance there.

Yea exactly :thumbs:

 

[go2church]

Good for her. I just love to see all the Warren haters flipping out that his wife would go and speak at another church. He should be removed, she's a she for goodness sake!

FYI - she was there to speak about her new book which is about she learned to deal with with depression and how her own treatment was hampered by the perception of those with depression in the church, so not too sure that would strictly be in the sermon category.

 

[Yeshua1]

The excerpts from Kay Warren's appearance at Crystal Cathedral certainly didn't sound like a sermon to me. Sounded like a motivational speech. That's not preaching, Joel O notwithstanding.

And the reporter who described her as a "guest pastor" showed his ignorance. She's not a pastor.

We may be making too much of her appearance there.

My concern was NOT with her speaking, but at that church!

Do they still promote quasi new age self help theology?

 

[Jerome]

Ken Silva's [Apprising Ministries] Christian Research Network certainly isn't taking the sweep-it-under-the-rug route with this:

Kay Warren Preaches at Controversial Crystal Cathedral

in a 2002 Christianity Today article, Kay Warren acknowledged the influence that Robert Schuller had on both her and her husband:

During his last year in seminary, he and Kay drove west to visit Robert Schuller’s Institute for Church Growth. “We had a very stony ride out to the conference,” she says, because such nontraditional ministry scared her to death. Schuller, though, won them over. “He had a profound influence on Rick,” Kay says. “We were captivated by his positive appeal to nonbelievers. I never looked back.”

One may wonder why, as part of the Southern Baptist Convention, Kay Warren would be found preaching in a church that has long propagated false teaching.

 

[Tom Butler]

Jerome, Ken Silva makes a good point. I questioned the use of the term preaching, but the larger point is why she was there in the first place.

 

[Yeshua1]

Ken Silva's [Apprising Ministries] Christian Research Network certainly isn't taking the sweep-it-under-the-rug route with this:

Kay Warren Preaches at Controversial Crystal Cathedral

So the warrens given hearty endorsement to a false teacher of a false gospel?

 

[jaigner]

Sadly, many leaders in the church are falling for the women's equality nonsense. If it were up to me it would disqualify RW from eldership in not leading his family well in this area. "Must" and "husband of one wife" are not rocket science terms.

The passage, even according to leading complementarians, is talking about polygamy, not gender. If we interpret this passage to mean only men can serve, we have to interpret the 10th commandment to mean only men can covet, since they're told not to covet their neighbor's wife. Would a woman coveting her neighbor's husband not actually be considered coveting?

Oh, and Mrs. Warren, not her husband, is responsible for her actions. If my wife decided she wanted to accept an invitation to preach, I would be her decision, regardless of my own belief on the matter.

 

[jaigner]

So the warrens given hearty endorsement to a false teacher of a false gospel?

You use bad grammar. Should we refuse to talk to you?

 

[webdog]

The passage, even according to leading complementarians, is talking about polygamy, not gender.

Wrong. Husband of one wife implies gender by the very definition of what this is.

If we interpret this passage to mean only men can serve, we have to interpret the 10th commandment to mean only men can covet, since they're told not to covet their neighbor's wife. Would a woman coveting her neighbor's husband not actually be considered coveting?

Non sequitur, I was talking about being a "pastor" (elder) not serving. We are all called to serve, we are not all called to be elders.

Oh, and Mrs. Warren, not her husband, is responsible for her actions. If my wife decided she wanted to accept an invitation to preach, I would be her decision, regardless of my own belief on the matter.

Wrong again.
Mrs. Warren falls under both Rick's leadership in the home and in the church. A submissive wife would not deliberately violate her husband's beliefs based on Scripture.

 

[Yeshua1]

You use bad grammar. Should we refuse to talk to you?

Sorry that I did not meet the grammar review required before posting here, but what did you think of the warrens seeming to approve false teacher/doctrine?

 

[jaigner]

Wrong. Husband of one wife implies gender by the very definition of what this is.

You're going against most egalitarian and complementarian scholars with this opinion. Again, if women can't hold office according to this passage, they also aren't able to covet.

Wrong again. Mrs. Warren falls under both Rick's leadership in the home and in the church. A submissive wife would not deliberately violate her husband's beliefs based on Scripture.

She might if she knew in her heart they were wrong. Men will not have to give an account for the actions of their wives. Women will account for their own actions.

Of course, there is no biblical reason why women should submit to men, since we are all called to submit to each other in light of Eph. 5. Neither is there any biblical reason women cannot preach or teach.

Read some scholarship before assuming a surface reading of an english translation is good enough.

 

[jaigner]

Sorry that I did not meet the grammar review required before posting here, but what did you think of the warrens seeming to approve false teacher/doctrine?

There is a grammar review required before posting anywhere: your own.

I don't think they are approving of any false doctrine simply by her speaking there. I'm not big fans of the Warrens or the Schullers, but we're reading too much into this.

 

[matt wade]

Read some scholarship before assuming a surface reading of an english translation is good enough.

Typical. Anyone that disagrees with you on this topic is uneducated, right?

Oh, and instead of bashing others for their grammar, why don't you check that you properly capitalize words?

 

[Steadfast Fred]

How one can get "wife of one husband" out of "husband of one wife" is beyond me.