have they rebuked his heritical teachings though, and not carried the self esteem Gospel message forward still?
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Mrs. Rick Warren Preaching at Crystal Cathedral
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have they rebuked his heritical teachings though, and not carried the self esteem Gospel message forward still?
No where in Ephesians 5 is the man called to submit to the wife. Paul goes from talking to the church to talking about the marriage. He does not begin talking to the marriage until v.22
Eph. 5:19 addressing one another in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing and making melody to the Lord with your heart, 20 giving thanks always and for everything to God the Father in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, 21 submitting to one another out of reverence for Christ.[/B]
Is my wife not a church member along with me? We are called to submit to one another.
BTW, Literal translation of v. 21-21:
"21 being submissive to one another in the fear of Christ, 22 the wives to their own husbands as to the lord."
The word "SUBMIT" isn't even in verse 22!
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Eph. 5:19 addressing one another in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing and making melody to the Lord with your heart, 20 giving thanks always and for everything to God the Father in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, 21 submitting to one another out of reverence for Christ.[/B]
Is my wife not a church member along with me? We are called to submit to one another.
BTW, Literal translation of v. 21-21:
"21 being submissive to one another in the fear of Christ, 22 the wives to their own husbands as to the lord."
The word "SUBMIT" isn't even in verse 22!
So how does that practically work? Does that mean I can tell my husband what to do and he can tell me what to do? That Joe Blow in church can tell me what to do and I must submit? Does that mean that a wife only submits to her husband as much as he submits to her? I'd like to know the practical application of this.
So how does that practically work? Does that mean I can tell my husband what to do and he can tell me what to do? That Joe Blow in church can tell me what to do and I must submit? Does that mean that a wife only submits to her husband as much as he submits to her? I'd like to know the practical application of this.
Submit to each others in the sense of family! being accountibility to keep each other walking as we should in Lord, being willing to forgive/confront each other!
Wives ONLY submit in the sense of biblical headship to the lord jesus and then to their husbands!
So how does that practically work? Does that mean I can tell my husband what to do and he can tell me what to do? That Joe Blow in church can tell me what to do and I must submit? Does that mean that a wife only submits to her husband as much as he submits to her? I'd like to know the practical application of this.
I don't know exactly how it works, I'm just making sure we are clear with what it actually says.
I'm guessing you already have an application of this you go by. Obviously in many churches, it doesn't work, because people are always fighting each other. I take this to mean much the same thing as "consider the interests of others more important than your own." (paraphrase).
Even strong headship proponents usually don't mean that the husband gets to order the wife around.
Michael Wrenn
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I think you confuse conservative with legalistic.
I think not.
fortytworc
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Why don't we have "like" buttons like Facebook??
Appears to be notta lotta likin' goin' on.
have they rebuked his heritical teachings though, and not carried the self esteem Gospel message forward still?
Well they fired him from the board and then fired his daughter - sounds kind of "rebukey".
Really would it matter who was preaching for them, you're going to find a reason not to like them, so what does it matter really?
Well they fired him from the board and then fired his daughter - sounds kind of "rebukey".
Really would it matter who was preaching for them, you're going to find a reason not to like them, so what does it matter really?
NOT if they have decided to actually preach the REAL gospel, and real doctrines of the bible!
will fully commend them IF they have done that!