Murder in The Bible

[SavedByGrace]

Saying that First degree murder capital crime before the Mosaic law ever given!

and ever since! God's Word can NEVER change, God has instructed those who listen as to what we are to do, while others are more concerned with the world and its Liberal ways. If some could, they would also banish hell!

 

[Yeshua1]

when the Bible clearly says that murder is to be punished by death, and anyone suggests any other option, this is to disregard what the Bible says. There is not even a hint in Scripture to suggest that our personal sentiments should even be considered, especially when Scripture is very clear. Any reasoning against what the Bible says, is an attempt to press ones opinion over the Word of God.

There is the Letter of the Law, and the Spirit of it!

 

[Yeshua1]

can you not see the difference here? God IS GOD, and therefore He does as He pleases, this is why He is Absolutely Sovereign. He and ONLY He can pardon the worst crimes, as even murderers will be in heaven. HOWEVER, for us humans, He has given us the Law, and this says very clearly, that it is always punishable by death. As I have said elsewhere, God used incest to propagate the human race, and yet for us humans, incest is a crime and sinful! God has His Standards which are much higher than ours.

We are not under the Mosaic Law for the punishment's proscribed!

 

[SavedByGrace]

We are not under the Mosaic Law for the punishment's proscribed!

if murder is punishable by death in the New Testament, and it is, then this surpasses the Law of Moses.

 

[Yeshua1]

and ever since! God's Word can NEVER change, God has instructed those who listen as to what we are to do, while others are more concerned with the world and its Liberal ways. If some could, they would also banish hell!

We are not required to have those penalties proscribed by God to israel!

 

[Yeshua1]

if murder is punishable by death in the New Testament, and it is, then this surpasses the Law of Moses.

Just murder, and first degree version!

 

[SavedByGrace]

We are not required to have those penalties proscribed by God to israel!

is incest legal?

 

[SavedByGrace]

We are not required to have those penalties proscribed by God to israel!

how about kidnapping?

 

[Yeshua1]

is incest legal?

It is illegal, but should the person be killed off?

 

[SavedByGrace]

It is illegal, but should the person be killed off?

that is not my point. this, like a host of other sins are under, what is The Law of Moses, like the rest of them, they are moral and therefore binding on us today. we can't pick and choose which ones we punish, as it is not up to us, but the Lord.

 

[Rob_BW]

I don't even know what to say. The call to grace and forgiveness is glaringly evident, as is the instruction that we are no longer under the law.

that is not my point. this, like a host of other sins are under, what is The Law of Moses, like the rest of them, they are moral and therefore binding on us today. we can't pick and choose which ones we punish, as it is not up to us, but the Lord.

21 Then came Peter to him, and said, Lord, how oft shall my brother sin against me, and I forgive him? till seven times?
22 Jesus saith unto him, I say not unto thee, Until seven times: but, Until seventy times seven.
Matt 18:21-22

 

[SavedByGrace]

we are no longer under the law.

which Bible tells you that? The Moral Law from the Law of Moses, as well as the Ten Commandments, minus the Sabbath Day, are still in force today. Show me otherwise!

"7 What then shall we say? That the law is sin? By no means! Yet if it had not been for the law, I would not have known sin. For I would not have known what it is to covet if the law had not said, “You shall not covet.” 8 But sin, seizing an opportunity through the commandment, produced in me all kinds of covetousness. For apart from the law, sin lies dead." (Romans 7, etc)

 

[Yeshua1]

I don't even know what to say. The call to grace and forgiveness is glaringly evident, as is the instruction that we are no longer under the law.



21 Then came Peter to him, and said, Lord, how oft shall my brother sin against me, and I forgive him? till seven times?
22 Jesus saith unto him, I say not unto thee, Until seven times: but, Until seventy times seven.
Matt 18:21-22

Murder was a capital crime though before the Mosaic law!

 

[Yeshua1]

which Bible tells you that? The Moral Law from the Law of Moses, as well as the Ten Commandments, minus the Sabbath Day, are still in force today. Show me otherwise!

"7 What then shall we say? That the law is sin? By no means! Yet if it had not been for the law, I would not have known sin. For I would not have known what it is to covet if the law had not said, “You shall not covet.” 8 But sin, seizing an opportunity through the commandment, produced in me all kinds of covetousness. For apart from the law, sin lies dead." (Romans 7, etc)

Yes, but we do not have the same penalty as Israel had for commiting those crimes!

 

[canadyjd]

Peace to you

 

[SavedByGrace]

Yes, but we do not have the same penalty as Israel had for commiting those crimes!

more and more countries around the world that once had their laws based on the Word of God, like here in England and the USA, are abandoning these principles, and following their own foolish ways instead. Society is being destroyed by "laws" that now permit sinful living, like homosexuality, and abortion, because people argue that they too have "rights". There are groups in Europe that wants pedophilia and incest made legal, because they also have "rights". It won't be long before these and other evil things are allowed as normal. Please don't use this wicked and evil world as a "standard" as to what is right and wrong. The Holy Bible must be our final Authority.

 

[canadyjd]

like disobey the very Word of God? You have to be kidding!

I am obeying the Word of God. 1Tim 1:15-6 gives Christians a clear command. We are to follow the example of our Lord Jesus Christ to show mercy to the worst of sinners, especially murderers like Paul.

You claim I am ignoring scripture or I am mis-reading 1 Tim, but you haven’t given any other possible understanding of that passage.

peace to you

 

[canadyjd]

......The Law of Moses,....they are moral and therefore binding on us today. we can't pick and choose which ones we punish, as it is not up to us, but the Lord.

It is not up to Christians to “punish” crimes. God has established governments for that. Christians are to follow the example of Jesus by showing mercy.

peace to you

 

[SavedByGrace]

It is not up to Christians to “punish” crimes. God has established governments for that. Christians are to follow the example of Jesus by showing mercy.

peace to you

so Christians who are leaders of countries, or even states as in the US, where the death penalty is used, should disobey the Word of the Lord? Your personal opinion is at odds with the Bible! No need to discuss this further, as you are not too interested in what the Bible ACTUALLY says.

 

[SavedByGrace]

I am obeying the Word of God. 1Tim 1:15-6 gives Christians a clear command. We are to follow the example of our Lord Jesus Christ to show mercy to the worst of sinners, especially murderers like Paul.

You claim I am ignoring scripture or I am mis-reading 1 Tim, but you haven’t given any other possible understanding of that passage.

peace to you

misusing this for your personal benefit. The Bible has NO contradictions, which means what Paul says here, can NEVER be in direct disagreement with The Moral Law of Almighty God, which very clearly says, to those who want to listen, that ALL murder must be punished by death. Period!