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Music in Fundamental Churches
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NaasPreacher (C4K)
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dcorbett said:
Okay, fine, show us the rhythm based music in biblically 'of the world.'
Well, that really isn't the subject of this thread. This thread is to show principles from the Bible that rhythm based music weakens the spiritual side of man.
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Yeah, forever is a very long time.Don said:
However, I've waited better than three years for the answers to some questions I have asked on the BB.
Still waitin' yet. I guess if patience is a virtue, I gotta be a :saint:.
(Alright! Hold it down up there in the "peanut gallery!") :tongue3:
Ed
P.S. BTW, what is the question here??
Hi everyone!!
I am Sam and new here. So this is my first post.
1Co 10:31 "Whether therefore ye eat, or drink, or whatsoever ye do, do all to the glory of God." This is the desire of my heart as I am sure it is yours. So in my daily attempt to try to please my Lord for His glory, I want to make sure that I do not allow any worldly thing interrupt my walk with Him. In driving up a mountain it is a lot safer to stay as close as you can to the mountain than driving wildly by the side of the mountain. The same is in my Christian walk. I would rather seem to be "hugging" the mountain to much than listen to music that maybe is alright in the sight of the Lord. If there is a question if this type of music is right or wrong it is better for me to just leave it rather than loose some of my fellowship with my Lord over it. 2Co 6:17 "Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord." If I can not say with a for sure YES this is not of the world I am not going to take my chance on it.
Okay, here is now my take on the Brother's question about melody, rhythm, ect..
I do not know anything about this fellows ideas on how melody, and rhythm is Scripturally wrong, but look at this Biblical example of how the melody of music is very important.
In the Book of Amos Chapter 5 God was upset at the people because they were no more serving the Lord but transgressed and sinned against God. You will notice in this passage that even though they were not right with God they tried to "straddle the fence" by offering sacrifices and singing to the Lord (go to church). God said in verse 23 "Take thou away from me the noise of thy songs; for I will not hear the melody of thy viols." God called their music that they were singing to Him noise. This was a derogatory statement from God!! Why did He not hear their music, because of the melody of their viols. Not because the condition of their hearts but because of the MELODY was bad. They brought in the melody of the world and tried to "praise and worship" God with it and what did He do? Turned His back on them because of the melody of the music. My friends if the music has a small hint of having melody from the world I will not allow it in the Church or our lives because I do not want God to turn His back on me also like He did them in Amos Chapter 5. It is the responsibility of the leaders of each local church to decide what melodies would give glory to God and are not mixed with the melody of the world. As for our local church we will hug the mountain (have very conservative music) as tight as we can.
I am Sam and new here. So this is my first post.
1Co 10:31 "Whether therefore ye eat, or drink, or whatsoever ye do, do all to the glory of God." This is the desire of my heart as I am sure it is yours. So in my daily attempt to try to please my Lord for His glory, I want to make sure that I do not allow any worldly thing interrupt my walk with Him. In driving up a mountain it is a lot safer to stay as close as you can to the mountain than driving wildly by the side of the mountain. The same is in my Christian walk. I would rather seem to be "hugging" the mountain to much than listen to music that maybe is alright in the sight of the Lord. If there is a question if this type of music is right or wrong it is better for me to just leave it rather than loose some of my fellowship with my Lord over it. 2Co 6:17 "Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord." If I can not say with a for sure YES this is not of the world I am not going to take my chance on it.
Okay, here is now my take on the Brother's question about melody, rhythm, ect..
I do not know anything about this fellows ideas on how melody, and rhythm is Scripturally wrong, but look at this Biblical example of how the melody of music is very important.
In the Book of Amos Chapter 5 God was upset at the people because they were no more serving the Lord but transgressed and sinned against God. You will notice in this passage that even though they were not right with God they tried to "straddle the fence" by offering sacrifices and singing to the Lord (go to church). God said in verse 23 "Take thou away from me the noise of thy songs; for I will not hear the melody of thy viols." God called their music that they were singing to Him noise. This was a derogatory statement from God!! Why did He not hear their music, because of the melody of their viols. Not because the condition of their hearts but because of the MELODY was bad. They brought in the melody of the world and tried to "praise and worship" God with it and what did He do? Turned His back on them because of the melody of the music. My friends if the music has a small hint of having melody from the world I will not allow it in the Church or our lives because I do not want God to turn His back on me also like He did them in Amos Chapter 5. It is the responsibility of the leaders of each local church to decide what melodies would give glory to God and are not mixed with the melody of the world. As for our local church we will hug the mountain (have very conservative music) as tight as we can.
stilllearning
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Hello sr2br and Welcome
For a 1st post, you said a mouthful; And I liked the sound of it.
This may be something to take a closer look at.
Thanks for the post.
For a 1st post, you said a mouthful; And I liked the sound of it.
This may be something to take a closer look at.
Thanks for the post.
NaasPreacher (C4K)
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sr2br said:
All music is noise to God when offered with a wrong heart be it melody, harmony, or rhythm.
Unless you can biblically define the 'world's melody' you choices are opinion and preference based, and there is nothing wrong with making that choice.
NaasPreacher (C4K)
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Rippon said:
Please, lets NOT make this a version issue
.I do take and appreciate your comment about the 'joyful noise' however.
The context was clear here, it was false worship taking place, with no heart change. It had nothing to do with harmony, melody, or rhythm. There is no indication that there melody was worldly, but we do know their hearts were not right.
Which type of Melody is Biblical melody?
God accepted David's music. .. we all know that.
So to be safe, we should all be playing mid-eastern style music. The style of God's chosen people.. ancient Hebrews.
NO Western music...
That would mean, no hymns... for they are all built on Western/European scales.
No Southern Gospel.. for it is too..
No CCm...
Just music like the first church played, or the Hebrews played.
That is the only type of music that can be shown in the Bible... since our style wasn't invented yet!
God accepted David's music. .. we all know that.
So to be safe, we should all be playing mid-eastern style music. The style of God's chosen people.. ancient Hebrews.
NO Western music...
That would mean, no hymns... for they are all built on Western/European scales.
No Southern Gospel.. for it is too..
No CCm...
Just music like the first church played, or the Hebrews played.
That is the only type of music that can be shown in the Bible... since our style wasn't invented yet!
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thegospelgeek
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How did you make this assumption?sr2br said:
Jarthur001
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Yes indeed.tinytim said:
But only if you line up in a circle..and go to the left five steps...clap your hands and go back to the right five steps and clap your hands as you sing.The one problem I have with the "hugging the mountain" theory is that without any evidence people decide what the cliff is and what the mountain is.
A tight rope allows people to fall to either side. That is how the Christian life is.
Being so afraid of the world on the left we often jerk to the right and find that the fall is just as far down being too conservative (legalistic) as being liberal.
A tight rope allows people to fall to either side. That is how the Christian life is.
Being so afraid of the world on the left we often jerk to the right and find that the fall is just as far down being too conservative (legalistic) as being liberal.
stilllearning
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Good point, Dale-c.
Welcome, sr2br.
Unfortunately, you have made a hermeneutic error here...you have presupposed something (the melody/harmony/rhythm "balance" issues...a tenet of Pythagorean Greek philosophy rather than a Biblical concept), and you have imposed that predetermination upon the text you quoted.
Classic eisegesis.
There is no way you can turn your scripture into an indictment of "praise and worship" music (which, by the way, is an extremely subjective term...and all God-glorifying music in worship is "praise and worship." Nor can that verse stand up to prove Garlock's assertion.
Having said that, welcome.
(Hope Todd gets his dissertation posted before the Y3K disaster hits.)
Unfortunately, you have made a hermeneutic error here...you have presupposed something (the melody/harmony/rhythm "balance" issues...a tenet of Pythagorean Greek philosophy rather than a Biblical concept), and you have imposed that predetermination upon the text you quoted.
Classic eisegesis.
There is no way you can turn your scripture into an indictment of "praise and worship" music (which, by the way, is an extremely subjective term...and all God-glorifying music in worship is "praise and worship." Nor can that verse stand up to prove Garlock's assertion.
Having said that, welcome.
(Hope Todd gets his dissertation posted before the Y3K disaster hits.)
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