Music? separate over it or not?

grrr to not fellowship with *them*...I'm sorry but I have a serious problem with children of God being separated over petty..yes petty things. Personally I would not be a member or a regular church goer of a KJVO non-ccm church because after a while of being stuck in a non freedom atmosphere would drive me nuts and stop my growing in Christ....but...to actually avoid fellowshipping or occasional hooking up to worship with them I could do. These are brothers and sisters in Jesus...not our enemies, we don't always have to agree on simple things, as long as we all agree that Jesus is the ONLY way to heaven.

Bottom line...it's not *them* or *us*....our Father is God...let's act like a family for once.

karen

 

So long as leave a little for "us", but just now "they" want it all.

Cheers,

Jim

 

Ah Jim,

Me thinks you doth protest too much....

"It will backfire, but that will take time to show itself as the destroyer it is."

"So long as leave a little for "us", but just now "they" want it all."

Let's see now. It seems that YOU believe that what churches that have CCM are doing is wrong, and should be stopped. The CCM'ers are saying the hymns are fine, but just don't move me personally.

So who is it really that wants "it all"????

WW2'er

 

It's so funny that this is petty, yet we argue over it constantly. But hey, what's new, right?

But . . . that seems to imply that it may not be as petty as we make it out to be. There are those of us who talk about music in terms of personal taste, and then those of us who talk about music in terms of what is and isn't of the devil -- and here I'm talking about genre and style, not even lyrics.

To me it seems extremely petty, as does the KJV only thing, but to those heavily into their position, of course it does not seem petty at all. It seems like it can almost be likened to a matter of doctrine.

And I can't help but be amused at how we say things like "you think whatever you want about the KJV, just don't tell me I'm wrong about the way I see it" and the like, yet if we hear that coming from a non-Christian about Christianity ("yeh, you believe what you want, just don't act like it's the only way to be"), we immediately grasp that the logic doesn't work.

I'm not saying I agree with those whose position on music is in oppostition to mine ( ), just that I can certainly see why some of them might see it as a reason to separate.

 

I would separate in a heartbeat. I have seen it take over too many churches.

Worship is the single most important thing we can do. Therefore, it is a fundamental for true Christians.

 

heh heh very interesting WW2'er I have experienced it the other way

At one Church I attended it was "newsongs, whole newsongs, and hardly anything but newsongs" Most of those Hel..er..Hillsongs Those that dared to ask for just 1 or 2 hymns on Sunday were called "selfish" by the newsong crowd. I remember one typical quote "you want hymns? Why not go back to gregorian chant while we are about it?"

Current Church has an ok mix. Starts off with 4 or 5 of the best of SiS/various new songs, with 2-3 hymns throughout service.

There are problem-children on both sides of the fence, for myself I'ld pick an "all hymns" Church before an "all newbies" one.

Pete

 

I'm probably not going to answer the question - as you want it answered - but if I was not a pastor, and was looking for a church, I probably would not attend the second time a church that used "Christian Rock", etc.

I do enjoy the Gaither videos and concerts - though some of the groups I would not invite to my church - if we were putting on concerts.

I love Southern Gospel, Gospel Bluegrass, Integrity Type Worship Music - and the Good old hymns and choruses.

There is nothing quite like good four part male quartet music - where the tenors sing sky high - and the bases go off the bottom of the piano.

Keep Singing

 

One of the first things I look at in a church is the type of music they use. I stay away from what I don't believe to be God honoring music, and cringe when I hear it. I would seperate from other churches, especially in fellowship, but I would leave a church if they understand the standards of good music and continued to use it. I believe there are many churches that don't even know about music. They need to learn and usually they will ask why.

 

I suppose "What on earth is wrong with Gregorian chant?" should be a separate thread eh?

As for "all hymns" vs. "all newbies", I thoroughly agree with you.

With regard to the original question, I have never seen/heard a Christian church where their music would be the straw that broke the camel's back of fellowship for me. But then I'm a liberal ABC type.

Haruo

 

seperating christians over musical preference is pretty petty.

 

Not a bad thread idea mate I just wish I would have asked that same question the night the statement came out A bit of Gregorian might have settled things down at that Church

I think it is one of the first straws rather than the last. Having a stream of sugar-coated wishy-washy doctrinally questionable songs every week at the expense of more solid selections never helps though...

Pete

 

the kind of music a church uses is not a petty issue!!!! Once the music slides, so will the preaching.

Once a church allows CCM into the worship, one can't preach meaningfully about many things anymore, for example, holy living, sanctification, non-compromising christian standards, etc.etc. (Maybe others can help me with the list?)

 

I would take issue with you on this that if a church switches to more modern music they can't preach the Word of God. I am going to a IFB church right now that preaches the Gospel and preaches the Word of God.

They just don't teach the tradition(or opinion) of man as the commands of God. see Matthew 15:1-9

There is a difference between a preacher giving his opinion on christian living subject and preaching his opinion as the Word of God. Unfortunately many Baptists preachers fall into the latter group.

 

hello, from another IFB.
Excuse me, but i don't see how your second and third paragraphs follow from the first?

 

I can 'help' you with the list by saying it is a list which, if accurate, is blank. CCM prevents meaningful preaching about 'holy living,' 'sanctification,' 'non-compromising Christian standards'? That's silly. I will take 'CCM,' as long as it is accurate doctrinely, as much preferred over those old hymns many sing without even thinking about, which are doctrinally questionable.

 

That's insane. There is absolutely no evidence for what you've asserted. Geeze, even if it did happen to take place in one or two churches where CCM and weak preaching coincided, it would be just that, a freak coincidence.

 

Kid, you're right this time. There may be hope for you yet.

Bill C.

 

contemporary - def. - modern, up-to-date, current, present-day, existing. Webster.

so, which part of that word do we have a problem with. Contemporary doesn't mean evil, scary or threatening. It simple means we communicate in today's language, not yesterday's. Dost thou not getteth it? Or, dost thou hath wax buildup in thine ear?

 

i think the problem with contemporary is not the newness, per se, but the idea of copying worldy musical fads from popular culture for church use.