Muslim US Ambassador to UN

1) You really do want to ban Muslims from public office, maybe even from this country, don't you? You're not just not working your fingers on the keyboard.

That is so sad for a Christian to be filled with such emotions. :tear:

2) That is not true.

 

His nomination will not be opposed. Everyone is too afraid of muslims (and CAIR) to stand up and say anything about his religion. Except Virgil Goode. We reap what we sow. Mark my words.

 

Yeah, and your attitude toward Muslims in general is not sowing anything good - for you or anyone else. Mark my words.

 

What will happen? Will they start beheading people because of my attitude? Maybe they'll decide to start killing infidels because one person is alarmed that a US muslim ambassador to the UN will take up for muslim nations against Israel? Will it cause a world wide muslim backlash so they will start saying Death to America and Death to Israel?

Or will my attitude toward islam cause their mullahs to speak out against America in Friday prayers? Perhaps my denouncing their evil religion will cause a homicide bomber to blow some innocent people up or fly planes into tall buildings?

Or perhaps they will start persecuting Christians because one Christian on a board in cyberspace denounced their evil religion?

Oh, wait. They already do that.

Quake in your boots all you want to. I won't. And I won't be denied free speech because some mullah in some Wahhabi Saudi funded American mosque in some rural town in America might be offended. Let alone CAIR. Wallow in political correctness all you want to. I won't.

 

1) Do you really believe that the U.N. ambassador does anything other than the president's bidding?

2) You're the one quaking. In fact, you sound downright paranoid.

3) Disagreeing with your bigotry does not make one wallowing in politically correctness.

 

"bigotry" and "downright paranoid" - when one has nothing of substance to offer to any debate or to prove their side of the debate, one resorts to name calling and innuendoes (against board rules, BTW) and thus, one has lost the debate according to debating protocol. How disappointing, I was hoping your debating skills were more refined.:wavey:

Mod note: I even moved this to politics rather than issuing the 3-page warning since I didn't want to be accused of closing threads. Good night.

 

Do you really believe this? Do you really equate Allah with the God of the Bible? My understanding of where you stood was way off, my appologies. As far as Allah =ing God the similarities (equal signs) end at Gen 22:2. This is another thread from this point on.

52 of the 55 framers of the Constitution were devoute, orthodox Christians. None were Muslim; None worshiped allah! Moses with the Ten Commandments sits in the rotunda of the Library of Congress, also on the facade of the Supreme Court and also inside the Supreme Court!

James Madison, the Father of Constitution, wrote the following:




June 20, 1785

Religion [is] the basis and Foundation of Government.​

We have staked the whole future of American civilization, not upon the power of government, far from it. We have staked the future of all of our political institutions upon the capacity of mankind for self-government; upon the capacity of each and all of us to govern ourselves, to control ourselves, to sustain ourselves according to the Ten Commandments of God.




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1788

The belief in God all powerful wise and good, is so essential to the moral order of the world and to the happiness of man, that arguments which enforce it cannot be drawn from too many sources nor adapted with too much solicitude to the different characters and capacities to be impressed with it.​

In his manuscript notes on the Bible

Christ's Divinity appears by St. John, chapter xx, 2: 'And Thomas answered and said unto Him, my Lord and my God!' Resurrection testified to and witnessed by the Apostles, Acts iv, 33: 'And with great power gave the Apostles witness of the resurrection of the Lord Jesus, and great grace was upon them all.'​

The religion he was talking about as the foundation of this government was not Muslim by any stretch of the imagination and to equate the two is disturbing at best.

I do think there needs to be an amendment to Article 6 (the religious test clause you refer to) stating an exemption with some type of wording to include, "unless said religion is proposing violence, harm, to other religions, organizations, etc". Obviously that is not perfect wording and that is what we have think tanks for, but something along those lines should be added. It is absolute nonesense to not make some protections for this document and the country. Discernment has fallen by the wayside; during the midst of WWII we would not have elected a Nazi congressman, nor had Nazi sympathisers in our military fighting in Germany, so there was no need to make a change forbidding it. Times are defnitely different now.

Do I propose we change the 1st Amendment? Not at all. I would not deny them the right to practice their religion, again as long as it is peaceful. As I mentioned Thomas Jefferson's quote in one of the above post about his neighbor believing in 20 gods would not harm him. I would think from that statement you can reasonably conclude if it could harm him, he would think differently. We have already seen so called defenders of this Amendment use it for harm, just as NAMBLA who think this amendment gives them the right to abuse children! Ask the ACLU about this one too!

 

Sorry for the double posts, I deleted the text of this one but could not delete the actual post.:thumbs:

 

Its not a matter of belief, it is a matter of fact that Muslims believe Allah to be God.

 

snrsvdbygrc, you are to be commended for your excellent posts, but above all, you are to be commended for taking time to read what you wrote and edit when it comes across as personal attacks or innuendoes, and this Moderator thanks you. :thumbs:

 

What? Name calling and innuendo are not allowed? Funny, when someone went so far as to accuse my toddler son of worshipping a false god, it was not addressed by the mods in the discussion.

I guess the rules depend on which side of the discussion you are on?

 

Well sorry if anyone read it before I edited it. C4K has his beliefs, and while I may disagree vehemently with his view of the constitution and think that type of thinking is absolutely counter to what our forefathers truly meant it to stand for, he has every right to believe what he believes and I in no way meant anything personal and upon the reading of my own post decided to change a few things.

"It cannot be emphasized too strongly or too often that this great nation was founded not by religionists, but by Christians; not on religion, but on the Gospel of Jesus Christ. For that reason alone, people of other faiths have been afforded freedom of worship here."

Patrick Henry - 1776

 

Not at all. All you have to do is push the Report Post button on any post and it is automatically reported to the Mods and Administrators. That is true of any thread or forum on this board. Hope that helps. :thumbs:

 

Well, I made a report of the insults in general. You were in the discussion...so I assumed you saw it. Is there a reason it wasn't addressed?

 

It was addressed and I deleted several posts on the thread you reported. I also issued a warning to stop personal attacks. Go back and check. If there was another personal attack after that, you could have reported it again. Now can we get back on this topic, please?

 

Oh? And saying that I am quaking in my boots and that I am wallowing in political correctness are substantive and not personal attacks?

Hmmmmmmmmm.



I won't be arguing with you tonight. I am sky high as I just got off the phone with a man who has moved here and is going to open a kennel/training facility. Maybe I won't have to drive 72 miles(one way) to take Ossum to agility class and can even start another of our Shelties in agility training.

 

Good deal, Ken. Great news for you. Have a good evening.:flower: