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[A_Christian]

This all sounds fine and good; however, what brought education to that part of the world for the working classes? It was an influence of Christianty.

What was is that brought medical attention to the poor classes of that corner of the world? It was the influence of Christianity.

What was it that caused orphanages to be contructed and started to move women out of the bondage of servitude and ownership of men? It was the influence of Christianty.

What is that brings these people from all these other places so that they may live pretty much as they desire? It is the influence of Christianity.

People are contant to come here because of the influences of Christianity and not because we live like that rest of the Moslem world. And I will tell you something. Moslems only believe what they believe when it is convenant for them to apply it and yet will attack Christians and Jews and demand what they themselves don't understand to suit themselves. GOD has nothing to do with their logic...

 

[Daisy]

Originally posted by tamborine lady:

This is a true story.

.........by Rick Mathes
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Posted simply for your consideration and thought.

Working for Jesus,

Tam

Tam,

What makes you think that the email you got is really a true story?

This is what Snopes has to say about it:

We asked Mr. Mathes if he could provide some information about the origins of the piece, and he responded:

This article is an exact recording of a real event that I participated in. My only commentary was, "the truth will prevail." I think this meeting was in May 2003 and I will not give out more details for fear of retribution. The purpose of the class was to increase "religious sensitivity", that is, tolerance for each others beliefs and I really blew that. The director was purple with rage however the Imam and I exchanged signs and said "Salaam" which means "peace" in Arabic (I hope). I questioned him (Imam) really to get a clear refutation of what is commonly thought of this Jihad nonsense. But apparently he wasn't educated enough to rebut my remarks or by his silence on this matter (I think) concurred with my implied conclusions. In either case I was surprised. And when I said I found it hard to be his friend, everyone laughed out loud. So the mood was an amazing mix of those who were interested like me and others that were just amused by the whole thing. I left the matter open on purpose (the truth will prevail) so that either side could speak up and claim the truth as their own.
Reporter Greg Kearney, writing for the Lee News Service, traced the story to a correctional facility in Fulton, Missouri, and came away with a decidedly different version of events from Missouri state officials.

According to Tim Kniest, Public Information Officer for the Missouri Department of Corrections, the event described was a training program for prison volunteers, for which ministers from several faiths were invited to give presentations in order to acquaint prison volunteers with the varied religious beliefs of the inmate population. The man who gave the presentation about Islam was not a Muslim minister; he was an inmate pressed into service to present a short film on Islam and answer some questions when the prison's Volunteer Coordinator was "unable to find an Imam to speak."

Moreover, reported Mr. Kniest, the prison's Volunteer Coordinator said that "The inmate did a good job," adding, "He was asked a few questions that were beyond his ability to answer. But he was not asked anything like that question [in the editorial]":
. . . the Volunteer Coordinator at the prison said that no such exchange as the editorial reported ever took place. "He certainly did not 'Hang his head in shame'," according to Kniest. In fact, the inmate was thanked by the assembly before being escorted back to his quarters. Furthermore, the coordinator does not recall any questions dealing with jihad [Holy war] against the infidels of the world as reported in the editorial.

In the editorial the inmate is presented as an Imam, or Islamic minister, which he clearly was not.
Whatever may have transpired at the prison training session referred to above, the notion expressed by this piece is inaccurate. Islam is not a monolithic religion in which unanimity of belief and action is coordinated from a central authority. Islam has an estimated two billion adherents in countries all over the world who belong to any one of a number of different sects with varying beliefs, traditions, and interpretations of scripture. (As well, some religious groups identify themselves as Islamic but are not recognized as such by the vast majority of Muslims.) No one Muslim (especially one who wasn't even a cleric) could speak to what all of Islam believes, any more than a single member of a Methodist congregation could speak for every denomination and follower of Christianity. Many, many Muslims reject the idea that "all followers of Allah have been commanded to kill everyone who is not of their faith," or even the suggestion that such an interpretation has ever been a valid tenet of Islam. We sent this piece to several Muslim groups and invited them to offer comments; they provided somewhat different explanations about the concept of jihad, how Muslims regard non-Muslims, and other related topics, but they all agreed that the editorial presented a grossly distorted version of their beliefs.

 

[Jude]

The fruit of Islam is seen in the headlines every day-it is a false religion, a tool of Satan, and his 'fruit' wreaks destruction, poverty, war, terrorism and persecution. This religion has the spirit of antichrist.

But in the west, the fruit of secularism is also seen every day. Destruction, poverty, violence, licentiousness, greed, materialism, abortion, etc. This 'religion' too has the spirit of antichrist.

Both need Jesus.

 

[pinoybaptist]

Originally posted by Johnv:
My belief about Muslims is the same as any other religion. Christians are not allowed to judge a person's salvation. I've known Muslims who are faithful and positive members of suciety. My neighbor, in fact, is a Muslim (who, btw, has has an interest as of late about learning about my beliefs in Christianity

) .

As I did on another post, I prefer to view other religions as per Paul's example with the Athenians that, those who faithfully seek to worship God as they know him, are, in ignorance, worshipping God. Paul did not chastise them for worship of a "false god". Instead, Paul praised them for their faithfulness, imperfect and incomplete though it was (which he then used as an opportunity for evangelism).

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Johnv:
No disrespect intended about the snipped part. Just wanted to tell you you speak like a Primitive Baptist in the unsnipped part.

 

[pinoybaptist]

Somewhere in this board, there is a post by somebody who gave an accurate view of Islam, whether fundamental, militant, or moderate.
They want all the world, from the North Pole to the South Pole, east to west hemispheres, to be converted to Islam, and Shariah law enforced.

Somewhere also on this board, I posted that I don't trust Muslims, ever, at anytime, especially collectively.

 

[BobRyan]

Islam is the only religion in the world to take another major religions "Bible" and "edit it to please its founder".

Islam proclaims the kind of holy war that you see going on today. IT is no "Accident" that ALL major demonstrations in ALL major Islamic countries are ALWAYS in favor of those we call "terrorists".

It is no "Accident" that ALL moderate Islamic governments "claim" to be worried about the general public in their country NOT backing them up if they "admit" to sane, balanced, criticism of terrorist actions or brutal Islamic dictators.

It is "no accident" that NO Islamic cleric has come forward strongly opposing the groups, leaders, teaching, actions of Islamic terrorists.

"Imagine if you will" that a Christian leader in some country declared that the Bible "mandated the holy killing of all " of some religion, or group (you know like in the dark ages and the crusades centuries ago) - What an uprising you would see among Christian leaders around the globe. When condemnation. What separation.

You see "nothing like that" in the Islamic leadership found in western "free" democracies. (But you do see MORE of it in the west than in ANY country CONTROLLED by Islam).

They have utterly disgraced themselves on a multi-national world-wide basis. The Palestinian, Iraqi citizens etc... cheering for the death of innocents on Sept 11, the awful sequence of lies told by Islamic media ...

How can they "live with themselves" after promoting the lies about the war's progress and then forced to "admit" that the war did NOT go as they had reported it.

In Christ,

Bob

 

[Paul of Eugene]

I have a little book at home with representative scriptures from all the major faiths of the world. In reading the scriptures of other religions, many of them do express some good ideas. The Muslim Koran is not up to the spiritual level of even the other world relition scriptures - it is harsher and more judgemental, in my subjective opinion.

 

[Pastor Larry]

Originally posted by Johnv:
Christians are not allowed to judge a person's salvation. I've known Muslims who are faithful and positive members of suciety. My neighbor, in fact, is a Muslim (who, btw, has has an interest as of late about learning about my beliefs in Christianity

) .

Actually, Christians are commanded to judge salvation. YOu pass a judgment on that when you admit them to church membership or discipline them from it. You pass that judgment on the basis of Scriptural commands and scriptural evidence. The fact that Muslims are faithful and positive members of society is really quite irrelevant in terms of their standing with God. We cannot know for sure about everyone. But we can know for sure that those who do not confess Jesus Christ as the Son of God and their personal Savior are not saved. Muslim's fit into that category. Like Jews, they do not accept Jesus as the Messiah and God; they are not saved until they do.

As I did on another post, I prefer to view other religions as per Paul's example with the Athenians that, those who faithfully seek to worship God as they know him, are, in ignorance, worshipping God. Paul did not chastise them for worship of a "false god". Instead, Paul praised them for their faithfulness, imperfect and incomplete though it was (which he then used as an opportunity for evangelism).

Which account are you reading? In Acts 17, Paul did not allow for this generic view. He condemned their view of God and called on them to repent. Paul did in fact chastise them for worshipping false gods, and called on them to worship the true God.

However, as I said elsewhere, worship and salvation are two completely different issues. It's always important for us to share Christ with our non-Christian brethren, so that they may be saved through Him.

This is true, but salvation must always precede worship. The unsaved cannot worship God.

Muslims may be among the largest religions in the world, but they are worshipping a false god and are unsaved. They may be good and faithful members of soceity, but they need to to be saved by Jesus Christ. As a Christian, our response should be the same to them as to every other false religion: They need to be confronted with teh claims of Jesus Christ and called to faith and repentance in him. We should be building relationships with people like this so we have the opportunity to share our faith with them.

 

[Daisy]

Originally posted by 3AngelsMom:
I have a very close friend/ co worker who is Muslim. She is an awesome lady.

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Even the 'peaceful' Muslims have an agenda.

It is world domination. Mohammedian thinking keeps them that way.

Don't you find it scary working with some one who wants world domination?

 

[Turbeville]

Its vert simple...Islam is another one of those man-made religions therefore it is a cult. They believe in Jesus as one of their prophets but he did not die on the cross. He was taken down before he died and another took his place. Their are many good people that are Muslims but Hell will be full of good people that did not accept Jesus as the Son of God!

 

[Daisy]

And it will be crowded with people who did accept Jesus as the Son of God.

 

[Eric B]

The Qur’an isn’t written in any order and it’s really hard to follow. You can go to any bookstore and buy one really cheap. But, the theme is clear.

Actually, it was placed in order of surah length. the first one is the longest, and the last one is the shortest. This is apparent if you compare the beginning of the book with the end. Don't know why it was done this way. Perhaps to cover up the obvious change in doctrines that occurred as Muhammad was rejected by Jews and Christians, and then went from acceptance of them to condemnation of them?

Muhammed was just starting the religion (once he found a suitable god to include, which was the moon god allah)

A simple reading of the Qur’an (not even all of it) will paint two different pictures between the characteristics of the God of Christianity and the moon god allah of the Qur’an.

PS. I may get some grief about referring to allah as the pagan moon god and not the same God of Christianity. So I pose a question. If the god of Islam is the same God of Christianity, why do the countries where Islam is in the majority, why can’t they accept the Christian faith? There the same god right?

Remember however that the god they are referring to is a very different God than the God of Scripture. The God of Scripture was incarnated in the perseon of Jesus Christ. Christ made it clear that if you do not accept him, then you are not worshipping the true God.

Much is made of this supposed "moon god", but the last quote is the real reason why Allah would be false. Others are right that the word is simply the generic term for the Most High. The Arabs before Muhammad had become pagan and had a pantheon of gods, including the moon god, and hundreds of others, many of which were actually attributes of the true God (e.g. "Rahman, the merciful"; "Rahim, the compassionate", etc. These words are even same as the Hebrew in the Bible). So Muhammad attempted to restore worship of the one true God of the Hebrew-Christian scriptures. But because he misunderstood concepts like the Trinity, (in part, from corruptions in the Church, such as its rampant Mariolatry, and assuming it was like pagan religions where the gods "begat" children), he rejected it, and held Christ as Messiah and prophet, but not the Son of God. So in that way he concocted a new false god. To be fair, we would have to say the same thing about the Jews, but many Christians shy away from that.