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Must justification be proven by sanctification?
- Thread starter Guido
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They are right a man not saved has no righteousness. He would have to be not saved because a saved person wears the righteousness of Christ. Pay attention to the last verse on this page
Rom_3:22 Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:
Rom_4:6 Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works,
Rom_5:18 Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.
Rom_9:30 What shall we say then? That the Gentiles, which followed not after righteousness, have attained to righteousness, even the righteousness which is of faith
Rom_10:4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth..
1Co_1:30 But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption:
Gal_2:21 I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.
1Jn_3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
MB
Revelation 21:8
II Thessalonians 1:8
what are you trying to say?
MB
Mat 7:1 Judge not, that ye be not judged.
Mat 7:2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again
MB.
I have judged no one and you do not understand what you quote
the point is God will be revealed from heaven in flaming fire taking judgement upon the godless who do not obey the Gospel
the point is God will be revealed from heaven in flaming fire taking judgement upon the godless who do not obey the Gospel
:Your right we are to obey the gospel yet it depends on what exactly the gospel really is. You see the gospel isn't the 10 commandments This is the gospel below;
1Co_15:4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures.:
The good news is that Christ willingly gave up His life to save the world so that those who so evers that believe in Him would be saved. He was buried for three days and rose again and now sits with the Father in Heaven.The gospel is not a bunch of commandments but is the act of The sacrifice of Christ.. Christ commanded us To love our neighbor's as our selves This takes care of the Law.. Yet it does not mean that we have to live perfect lives or we loose our Salvation. Salvation is eternal and we are kept by the Father
MB
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KenH
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True. It is impossible for us to live perfect lives, yet we have to be perfect to be saved and stand before God. Thus, we must look to another for our perfection. Christ is the Lord our Righteousness. We look to Him and Him alone. As the old hymn by Edward Mote starts off in the first verse: "My hope is built on nothing less than Jesus' blood and righteousness" and ends in the last verse: "Dressed in His righteousness alone, faultless to stand before the throne."
We agree
MB
37818
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Because our sinful bodies have not yet been redeemed, Romans 7:24-25, ". . . O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death? I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin. . . ." And Romans 8:23, ". . . we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body. . . ." In the mean time we have, 1 John 1:8-9, ". . . If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. . . ."
Maybe I misunderstood the verse again.
Why does it seem like Paul is saying we will not sin and then contradicting himself?
37818
Well-Known Member
What two references do you have in mind?
You need to get comfortable with your Salvation Guido and rightly divide the word of truth, because later on Paul says this... Brother Glen
Romans 7:6 But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.
7:7 What shall we say then? is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.
7:8 But sin, taking occasion by the commandment, wrought in me all manner of concupiscence. For without the law sin was dead.
7:9 For I was alive without the law once: but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died.
7:10 And the commandment, which was ordained to life, I found to be unto death.
7:11 For sin, taking occasion by the commandment, deceived me, and by it slew me.
7:12 Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.
7:13 Was then that which is good made death unto me? God forbid. But sin, that it might appear sin, working death in me by that which is good; that sin by the commandment might become exceeding sinful.
7:14 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.
7:15 For that which I do I allow not: for what I would, that do I not; but what I hate, that do I.
7:16 If then I do that which I would not, I consent unto the law that it is good.
7:17 Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
7:18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not.
7:19 For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do.
7:20 Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
7:21 I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me.
7:22 For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:
7:23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.
7:24 O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?
7:25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.
A born again is not under the Law. They are under Grace. Sin still has it's consequinces but we pay for them differently. We are corrected by God as children of God not as infidels Placed in hell.
MB
Dave G
Well-Known Member
The wicked flesh that we are trapped in.
Please see Romans 7:14-25 and Galatians 5:16-17.
Romans 1:5
New International Version
5 Through him we received grace and apostleship to call all the Gentiles to the obedience that comes from faith for his name’s sake.
New International Version
5 Through him we received grace and apostleship to call all the Gentiles to the obedience that comes from faith for his name’s sake.